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Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:04:36 GMT
From: "Ture Utriainen" <karin.altahr-cederbergnopsama.com>
Subject: Re: Engine noise 9.5 engines


Hmmmm... I think I didn't express the value of having 300Hp in my 95 Aero. You see i still have all the guaranties intact after my conversion although by NordicUhr and not by Saab. This is ofcourse invaluable as I'd otherwise would risk the whole car if sh-t did happen. This I mean, gives a clue to the quality and overall strength in the Saab concept and as such also points a finger at the american owner GM and their products. Anyhow, how come that a conversion like this wouldn't be legal in the states? I mean, You really don't change much after all... "Johannes H Andersen" <johsnopsamsafish.com> wrote in message news:3AF520FB.74F924AAnopsamsafish.com... > > > Spuds Velvet wrote: > > > > In article <JsiI6.8263$sk3.2295626nopsamb.telia.net>, > > karin.altahr-cederbergnopsama.com says... > > > My my my..... Is this bullshit or what! I turn out 300 hp from my 95 > > > stationwagon and it givs specs close to those of BMW M5 and even beats the > > > M5 in some areas. Talking about value for money!! You guys are pathetic when > > > You talk about some Saturn crappy american car that's supposed to be the > > > same as a Saab. Are americans ignorant or what? > > > > -) You can rebuild almost anything to make it perform. > > > > -) I doubt that your car would be legal to drive on the > > street in the US. I'd like to drive it, and I salute > > you -- but a 300 HP Saab is a rare beast here. > > > > -) Saturn isn't a luxury car. That is exactly my point. > > GM must put engines into Saturns that are cheap to > > manufacture. If GM puts the same engine into a Saab > > that they put into a Saturn; then we have some fair > > questions to ask them about that engine. > > > > -) ... and the Saturn LS Wagon does indeed > > compare well against the Saab -- the Saab is better, but > > the Saturn could be "rebuilt" (see my first point, above). > > Both wagons use the Opel platform. The wagons share the > > same interior and exterior dimensions. Part count and > > build quality are comparable, with the Saab showing an > > edge, but not a whole lot. > > > > -) I don't know what GM does in Europe; but here in the US, GM > > is infamous for taking cheap assemblies and putting them > > into premium cars. Putting a cheap Opel engine into an > > expensive Saab is EXACTLY the kind of krap that US Saab > > owners are leery of. > > > > Any American posting to this group could name a half-dozen > > domestic examples of GM marketing expensive cars that > > incorporate cheap light-duty assemblies from their economy > > cars. We extend our collective sympathy to our friends > > in Europe. > > > > x) Chev V8s used in Buicks. > > x) Midsize Cadillacs built on the old Chev Nova platform. > > x) Opel light-duty manual transmissions used in midsize Chevs. > > x) Cadillac Escalade is really a GMC Yukon for $xxxx more. > > x) Olds Bravada based on the Chev equivalent for $xxxx more. > > > > I'd like to read a detailed engineering overview and analysis > > of the Saab/Opel V6. What kind of service was this engine > > designed to perform -- can it be used in light trucks? Was it > > designed to be used in racing vehicles? Is Saab > > 'remanufacturing' the V6 blocks to improve them, the way they > > have in the past with the Ford V4 and the triumph L4? Did Saab > > prepare that Opel engine to handle high revs and turbocharging, > > or did they just drop it into a 9-5 body? I'd like Saab to > > provide a candid and *detailed* explanation of what they did to > > that engine to make it worthy of putting into a Saab. > > > > SVelvet > > These days, all you get is the advertising blabber that "Saab like > the driver to be in control of all the forces...." with subtle > references to their fighter aircraft engineering. This is supposed > to answer all your questions. Here in the UK, the motoring journos > have a lot to answer for, they have no mechanical knowledge > whatsoever and focus exclusively on the cars status+image. BMW > is the holy grail for them no matter what. They test cars by > doing some tire burning spins and complain if the engine doesn't > scream. > > Some years ago I read comparative tests in a German car magazine, > I found it much more systematic and better informed about the > differences in engineering. This critical audience may have played > part in the general excellence of many German makes, but even so > their motoring journos have some realistic sense of proportion, > while here in the UK, the German makes are regarded with awe. > > Johannes

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