Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:18:59 GMT From: cn <nonenopsam.com> Subject: Re: Saab 9-3 Modding & Customization Website
I have a feeling we are not going to see eye to eye on this one dave. I dont think the going back and forth restating our opinions as we have both done is going to do anything. My original intention was honest. I felt a need and I knew a way to fulfill it. Obviously I went about it the wrong way. Im not sure what outcome you were looking for from the thread, but I have decided to take the site down. -c davehinznopsamcop.net wrote: > Someone who looks an awful lot like cn <nonenopsam.com> wrote: > >>Dave: > > >>1. That wasnt a private email. > > > The way you presented it it seemed you were saying it was email. > > >>Im not sure how long you've been surfing >>around the net, > > > About 12 years, but who is counting... > > >>but very often, companies, people, entities make public >>their official correspondence with other entities. I can think of many >>examples where websites have posted cease and desist orders from >>microsoft, or letters between them and their internet provider about the >>status of their broadband connection. People do it all the time. > > > So, was it email, or not? > > >>Not to >>mention, the 2 parties involved were saab.pintmaster.com and the saab >>network. As an entity, saab.pintmaster.com chose to make public >>correspondence that was never expressly deemed private. > > > email is owned by the sender, and unless expressly given permission to > post it, you are violating that ownership. > > > >>2. The Saab Network does "suck" as you say. > > > I do _not_ say that, I was paraphrasing your statements. > > >>The point I want to make is >>that they have a great user base, but as a website are not providing >>those users with the infrastructure deserved. > > > So, maybe you could ask for your money back. Deserved my ass - it's a > free service, use it or not as you like. But, going in there and saying > "You people are doing it all wrong", and then acting surprised that they > don't consider you to be their best friend, is an odd way to see reality. > > >>They may have been their >>first, but that doesnt mean they are better. > > > I prefer a usenet group to their interface, but I don't go in and > tell them they suck. > > >>3. Im not sure how much you have been following this thread, but I will >>summarize what happened. 1. I posted an original message on saabnet >>asking if there was a place dedicated to modding saab 9-3s. (no >>response). 2. I figured, well then I should start one. 3. I hastily >>threw together a message board and then posted a message on saabnet >>telling people about it. 3. Said message was removed and I was sent an >>email or something saying what I had done wrong. > > > What part of "one strike and you're out" did you not understand? Your > failure to heed the *numerous* "don't spam here" messages is nobody's > fault but your own. > > >>4. I corrected my error >>by making a direct link back to saabnet on the front page of my website. >>5. I tried to make another post with that error fixed. 6. The website >>address would not post to the website, that website had been banned. 7. >>A week or 2 later, I posted a message saying that if people were >>interested email me (I wasnt posting a direct link, people had to take >>the initiative themselves). I got about 4 emails an hour until the >>message was taken down and I was banned. 8. Wrote first email 9. Got >>response, but response was very harsh. 10. Didnt feel as though scott >>had been fair to me. 11. Responded. 12 No response back 13. Posted >>messages to this message board. > > > Yeah, we know, you've said all that before. You want to make a discussion > site, great, go for it, but pissing off people who you hope to attract > to it is an odd way to build participation. > > >>The first time I broke their rules I didnt realize I had. The second >>time, I didnt realize that posting my email address was against the >>rules either. I am not sure how I can make this any clearer. I DID NOT >>DELIBERATELY BREAK ANY OF THEIR RULES. > > > Ignorance is no excuse. Don't like their game, don't play in their park. > > >>I understand your point of view, and I think what you said is valid. My >>underlying goal is not to be the boss of a big website or anything like >>that. As a saab owner, I want to have a place that I can go to get well >>organized information about subjects I am interested in. I am sure many >>other people feel the same way. > > > Great, so go do something useful, and if people like it, they'll use it. > > >>I am deeply sorry if I offended you by posting the correspondence >>between saabnet and saab.pintmaster.com. > > > Any time anyone posts private email, it is by nature deeply offensive. > The author of the work gets to determine how it's distributed, not the > recipient. > > Dave Hinz >
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