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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:39:08 GMT
From: "DUANE DOSTIE" <uncledoc900nopsamnline.net>
Subject: Re: Saab Tire Complaint:  Important


What's the male equivalent of a yenta called? Milty baby, that's you. Duane "milt brewster" <milt73nopsamc.net> wrote in message news:MPG.19c7c30e65abe853989dd1nopsam.sonic.net... > In article <MPG.19c7f3cc272dac17989a82nopsam.cis.dfn.de>, > carl.robsonnopsamcing-czechs.com says... > > In article <3F5CD576.89FF7C73nopsamfitter.com>, johsnopsamfitter.com > > spouted forth into alt.autos.saab... > > > > > > So how fast did the tires loose pressure? If the 2 psi were lost in less > > > than one or two weeks, then you have a slow puncture. The fact that you > > > have had two blowouts could be because you drive in the same area. In > > > particular if you drive in areas where building or engineering work is > > > going on, then it is easy to pick up small metal objects in your tires. > > > This has happened to me in the past. > > This is a good general comment. In both cases, I was driving on > new, well-maintained freeways going less than 65 MPH and had not > hit anything on the road. I was on two different freeways. The > blowouts were not at the same position -- it was the Left > front; and the right rear tires that blew. In both cases, I had > recently checked the tires and found them inflated and in good > shape. > > While it is always possible to have "bad luck" with metal objects > and the like; the fact is that I don't get blowouts on other cars > I drive in the same way and on the same roads, and over many > years. > > > > Or a bad rim seal, usually caused by corrosion on the rim, or by some > > other contamination at the sealent. > > This is hard for an average driver to check. I have no idea what > to look for. Since the car has been serviced since I bought it, > I assume that it was likely checked during the servicing. > > > > > I wonder if the rim had been properly machined when made, or before the > > first replacment tyre was fitted, or whether a faulty valve had been > > fitted (didn you get a replacement valve when the first blowout was > > fixed). > > Again, possible; but how does an average driver check something > like this? What do you look for? How many new car owners really > want to dismount the tires on their car to inspect the rims on a > new, unfamiliar car? > > > > > Where the balance weights fitted to the tyre stickon or wire clipons? > > All of this could actually have an impact into what caused the > > defaltion. > > > > I make a practice of checking the pressure of older tyres weekly, and > > brand new tyres monthly (after first initial week or two when I check > > them weekly to make sure I'm not getting a leak). > > This is what I used to do. Now I check the car every time I get > into it. > > > > I know this isn't your probs J, just posting some thoughts on it. > > > > I see that reading what the problem turned out to be, it is a serious > > safety issue, whether it is the blowouts, the minimal deflation needed, > > or even the fairly rapid pressure leak. But Milt, it isn't necessarily a > > cut and dried Saab fault, or Michelin Fault. > > > > It may be a 3rd party fitter fault. It may be a Saab fault that couldn't > > be picked up at the factory, because the tyre held air while it was > > waiting to be shipped/delivered and was within pressure tolerance. It > > may be that it was the above, the fitted that replaced the first blow > > out didn't spot it properly either. > > > > Many things should be checked and discounted before shouting "Saab are > > Criminal". but I agree, like any manufacturer, mistakes can happen. > > > > Thanks. I pretty much agree with everything you've said here, > including your comments supporting Saab and Michelin. My > earlier comments assume that I have the right to bring this up as > a safety problem, as defined in the US, and that Saab could have > consciously made an OEM tire choice knowing tires would fail in > some low percentage of cases, the way Ford did. This is simply > not an unreasonable possibility to bring up -- but I agree with > you, that it isn't necessarily true. > > I don't mind considering myself as a cause (and I have), but I > believe that I have in fact taken good care of the car, and have > not encountered road conditions that would have caused these > tire failures. This car gets light use. > > Whatever the cause; it is NOT OK to have multiple tire blowouts > during normal use and care, for a new car. I am seeing two > general arguments in responses to me: > > *) I am the only one who has ever experienced a blowout in a new > Saab, so it must just be "bad luck" on my part. > > *) Everybody gets lots of blowouts all the time, so I am a bad > sport to complain about it. > > I don't have much respect for either arguement. Regardless; in > both cases, my experience remains a serious safety issue that > involves Saab and Michelin, as well as my own driving habits and > road conditions. > > At the very least, Saab should upgrade their OEM tire quality to > something that withstands normal use much better than these > Michelins have for me. > > > mb >

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