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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:57:30 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Pete Brown" <petes.inboxnopsamternet.com>
Subject: Re: winter tyres with rims


Greetings, Johannes. Its Pete here this time not the Devil's Advocate. Thanks for your further post. Some final comments below. "Johannes H Andersen" <johsnopsamfitter.com> wrote in message news:3F9A4BEE.6472478Dnopsamfitter.com... > > > Pete Brown wrote: > > > > "Johannes H Andersen" <johsnopsamfitter.com> wrote in message > > news:3F987276.3CB35C69nopsamfitter.com... > > > > > > > [...] > > > Alrighty! It must be my turn now. > > > > You have entirely misunderstood the "my Saab brothers and sisters" thing and > > I am not even going to try and explain it in case I insult the kindness and > > intelligence of my fellow Saab owners. Quite frankly I really don't give a > > *%$& whether you are a brother or a sister (hey its free world) and I won't > > be going there again. > > > > When I enter this NG I do not see anarchy. I accept that one is free to > > write in a language of one's choosing and that one may also write anything > > that one wants. I may or may not like it but it happens. It happens very > > rarely though. In the vast majority of posts I see kindness, courtesy, > > frankness and occasional rudeness. I see a great Saab gathering of minds. > > What I do not see is anarchy. > > > > I note the points you make about being disadvantaged. > > > > > We can take this further. Minority languages in the UK or elsewhere is > > only a > > > problem if the language is insufficient for reaching the audience intended > > by > > > the author, otherwise I don't see any problem. > > > > I'm sorry Johannes, I fail to see the point you are making here. What I > > would say, subject to later correction my yourself I'm sure, is that in the > > UK the language of the country is English, but there are people, within > > their own ethnic communities in the UK who use Hindi, Urdu, Cantonese, > > Welsh, Irish, Gaelic to name but a few as a means of cultural expression and > > within the context of those cultures, communication. But when you come out > > into the big bad world of everyday living there must surely be an ability to > > speak the language of the country you are living in. To try and cater for > > all those languages by printing leaflets and guide books or employing > > interpreters in all those languages just diverts scarce money from a state > > system (I'm talking about the UK here) that is seriously in the midst of a > > funding crisis. This in turn builds up resentment in the indiginous > > community. The point is simply put. > > As I reside in the UK, I'm well aware of the multi cultural society here. > I should probably be offended that nothing is printed in Danish, but couldn't > be arsed :) Nevertheless, in the context of hospital clinics and medicine, > it's probably useful to have leaflets in many languages; it could save lives. > I know you reside in the UK. I have checked out your website via the link in your posts (its important to know who you are up against). I am genuinely sympathetic with your points about Danish and the UK and about saving lives. I have never had the pleasure of working in another country that speaks a different language. I have done business with the French, the Germans, the Canadians and the Americans. I have studied in America but the language was broadly similar. No challenges there for me, although I found the culture interestingly dis-similar. > The Welsh are probably the most touchy and I was amazed that some election > results were announced twice, in both English and Welsh, as in some European > song contest. But I have learned that in this society the less said about > such issues the better. Just let people get on with their lives, sooner or > later they will want your attention for something and that will involve > knowledge of your English language. A cultural identity is important for > most people; it's the government's job to keep check and balances on the > system. > You are totally correct about UK society. That is why I made the point about political correctness gone mad. People have lost their jobs for speaking out. Although I see David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, wants to introduce a "Britishness" test for those immigrants and asylum seekers who wish stay. But a cultural ID is still very important to most people. > > > Anyways, the debate has begun and we will see where it leads. Not as long > > as Milton's great "Tyre Complaint" epic. :) > > > > If I may leave the alter-ego of the Devil's Advocate behind and allow Pete > > to speak. > > > > I am very sorry that you reacted to the Saab Brothers and Sisters thing they > > way you did. Where I come from in the UK, the term Brother or Sister is > > used as a term of friendliness or common interest/purpose and does not > > assume a formal connection with the other party either by blood or by > > marriage. > > Never mind, again let anarchy prevail. Our disagreement is only a matter of > personal taste. Brothers and sisters used that way smacks of secret or sectarian > societies. My Saab is not a symbol or an icon, but it's a very nice car. > Accepted. > > Best Wishes > > OK, I'll let you off - for now. > > Johannes That's OK by me as well , Johannes. I will put the Devil's Advocate into hibernation (time of year for it, isn't it?) only to be trundled out when there is some other cause to shout about or soapbox to jump on. (Message from the Devil's Advocate.............Mmmmmmm, I see you are letting me off for now. I look forward to the time when our paths cross again. Then we shall see. Heh, heh, heh [Evil laugh continues as character exits stage left]). ;) Regards Pete

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