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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:03:16 -0500
From: Nobody In Particular <someonenospamthere.com>
Subject: Re: SAAB INFO WEBSITE


Paul, I fully understand what you are referring to. I grew up in (West) Germany and have lived in Europe as an adult for 7 years before coming back to the US to tend to family matters. I also spent some time in the Middle East - when it was "friendly"! While in Europe we used to get Sky News and the BBC - basically our only "real" source of English news. Our newspaper was the International Herald Tribune and the NY Times (when we could get it). Man, did we find our views leaning towards the left as a result! I considered myself a conservative, while others would consider me more moderate. I consider myself a "global thinker" with regards to the knowledge that the sun does not rise and fall in the US, there are other nations that play a hand in the way things are done in the world. I'm not a real big fan of the UN. I feel they are ineffective as a police force because of politics. The UN is in places that need not be and not in places they should. The UN needs to act in the Sudan. If Cyprus needs a UN force because of the Greek-Turk battles, why hasn't the UN gone into Gaza and the West Bank? The same thing has happened in both places, what is the difference? I'm still undecided with regards to the EU. There is something to be said for a political and economic union that transcends borders and idiology - not to mention hatred from two World Wars. I'll wait and see what the EU does with Turkey and how they will support that failed economy. Cheers! On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:50:27 GMT, Paul Halliday <pjghnospamyonder.co.uk> wrote: >in article ofhdn0l7vn92qgf1gqee1489tmp1n9osnknospamcom, Nobody In Particular >at someonenospamthere.com wrote on 20/10/2004 21:25: > >> Well said and I now understand the "banned" comment. >> >> I blame the media for causing a split in our country. They fuel the >> fire that burns brightly and when they are caught with their hands in >> the cookie jar, they first deny it, then apologize in a manner that >> smells worse than the original story. > >Someone will always make a living from misunderstanding and posing an >extreme bias. I thought the UK's tabloid press what the "daddy" of that >game! > >> When all you see is bad news, you need to suspect the bias of those >> reporting the news. I'm an optimist, I believe things will be better >> tomorrow than they were today. I refuse to swing my vote to a >> candidate who has a platform based on fear and what "might" happen. > >Hmm ... vote? Okay, you're wasting your vote and have no right to speak >about anything if you don't vote, but your vote can only be for one of two >things ... The same as you've got, or like you had before but are now like >those you've got now a few years ago! I'm a Brit, BTW :) I remember the >Labour party (your Democrats) back in 1979 when we had no fuel, no refuse >collection, no open schools ... But if we'd known what the Tories were going >to do over the following 20 years, we would've thought twice. Now, our >Labour party are just like the Tories were. Where's the choice? We now only >seem to have extreme nationalism as our "choice" and I live in one of our >BNP's heartlands!!! Google the BBC website for opinion on the BNP! Okay, so >my house is still worth something, but it's a high social price to pay and I >cannot see that as a good thing in the long term. I'll avoid any >conversation about our Muslim friends, given the current climate of >misunderstanding and fear. I do hope that one sorts itself out soon, perhaps >devoid of the oil debate! > >> This election is just plain nasty. You want to talk about >> disenfranchised, I hate turning on the TV because it's one side bad >> mouthing the other - they are both guilty! It's unfortunate that we >> have no real "choice" to base our vote on. It's either the status quo >> or vote for a change, which is not much better than the status quo! I >> want to vote FOR someone not AGAINST someone! > >When we voted the Tories out (after 20 years - they're like your >Republicans, in a way) and the Labour party in, we were voting for >something. Wales and Scotland had *no* Tory wards, which shows the extent of >the desire for a change. We (as the UK) sent a very positive message to the >Tories that we had had enough. Unfortunately, they have not become anything >like as solid an opposition that our current ruling party are. I cannot see >the Liberals (I'm not sure what they're like your side of the "pond") as any >kind of answer, but perhaps a three way split here might be better than the >old two way choice we had before? > >> People who are basing their vote entirely along party lines, based on >> reports from the one sided media, or a hate filled statement by an >> actor, they are uninformed voters. Voters owe it to themselves to >> research the truth, never trust what you read in the newspaper or see >> on TV, verify it before you claim it's true. > >Yes, research the truth, but you've still no choice!!! Take heart, neither >do we! I would encourage you to think for yourself and perhaps point you at >one of your better countrymen; Noam Chomsky. I like that guy - he's an adept >thinker and one who can teach you to think more about yourself and your >circumstances, making your immediate "place" a better place. I would be >inclined to boycott voting, but then I have no voice. It's quite a >conundrum, isn't it? > >> I'll step off the soapbox now - sorry group, I needed to vent. > >No need to apologise - we're all intelligent people here. We do drive SAABs, >afterall :) > >> I'm still looking for a front driver's side fender and driver's door. > >Ah! Back to SAABs - me too, except for the door, but my driver's side is not >the same side as yours ... Swap ya? > >Paul > >1989 900 Turbo S >http://saab.go.dyndns.org/

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