Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:05:21 GMT
From: Johannes <johsnospam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com>
Subject: Re: C stands for Classic and here is the "Historical Timeline"


Saab Guy wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:00:56 GMT > Johannes <johsnospam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Saab Guy wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:04:28 GMT > > > Saab Guy <nothingnospamo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:00:54 GMT > > > > Johannes <johsnospam-gets-lost-sizefitter.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saab Guy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:23:21 +0100 > > > > > > Grunff <grunffnospam.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Johannes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the 9000CS is not a GM model as is implied on the site. In fact, Haynes > > > > > > > > manual is titled: Saab 9000 1985-1998, thus indicating the mechanical > > > > > > > > continuity of the range. It is far from a "complete re-design" by GM as > > > > > > > > suggested on the site. I doubt very much that GM was involved at all in the > > > > > > > > 9000CS, apart from buying a share stake in the company. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed - the changes are really quite minor - it's a facelift, similar > > > > > > > to that which was carried out on the C900 in 1988. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Grunff > > > > > > > > > > > > So, this means that in 2006/2007 the 9-5 will be the C9-5 > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > Possibly. I think GM has a very different rear wheel drive car in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonannes, > > > > > > > > Right, the rear from the spy shots looks BMWish > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > So here is the Historical Timeline for the 900 and 900. > > > > > > The years may vary depending on country > > > > > > I believe the years indicated below are internationally accepted > > > > > > 1979-1994 (C900) - Classic 900 > > > 1994-1998 (NG) - New Generation 900 > > > 1999-2001 9-3 > > > > > > 1984-1992 (C9000) - Classic 9000 > > > 1993-1998 (NG9K) - New Generation 9000 > > > 1997-2005 (C9-5) - Classic 9-5 > > > 2006-? (NG9-5) - New Generation 9-5 > > > > > > SG > > > > These are obviously not Saab's own descriptions, so I can't see this > > having some kind of international status. They may be convenient labels > > for the purpose of discussion, but NG9K is not a label I would want to > > see in general use when there is already the CS/CSE labels. But that's > > just IMO. > > > > The C900 and NG900 are very different cars, whereas C9000 and CS are > > not. The NG900 are build on a platform shared with GM Opel cars at the > > time, whereas the CS carries on with the same platform as C9000. This > > platform was superficially shared with Type 4 cars, but Saab used their > > own Panhard rod rear suspension. The CS was a facelifted C9000, unlike > > the NG900 which was a completely different car from C900. As said, > > Haynes manual is titled 'Saab 9000 1985-1998', indicating the mechanical > > continuity of the range. There is no merit in distinguishing the CS > > as a different creation, the difference is cosmetic. Some people like > > the C9000, others think the CS looks cleaner. It's a matter of taste. > > Johannes, > > I completely agree with you, and I'm sure others do but.. > > that means that if you are saying "same platform" then there is no NG that can be applied. > > It's almost like saying that the Pontiac GrandAm is A Saab 9-3 SS, saying that there really is no different "Since" they are on the same platform, and I disagree, there are enough changes. > > I mean, if we line up the last year C9000 (1992) with a 1993 CS, they LOOK different, and there were some changes with the engine, etc. The entire rear was redone, even though it is technically on the same platform. > > SG But then you can use the CS/CSE labels for the facelifted models. There has been engine variations (the same block) over the entire model life 1985-1998, not just for the 1993 model. Secondly, in case of the 900, the 'Classic' tag was introduced because the car's unique styling and mechanical principles. That made it a classic, whereas the NG900 is much more a mainstream (ordinary) car. Note that 'Classic' is used as a special word with special meaning, not just a label. Since all 9000 are similar, they are much more likely to share the same status as potential 'Classic' cars; this should not be reserved for 1985-1992 models. Whether a car is can be termed 'Classic' depends on how it stands out from the crowd. It's also indicated by the secondhand prices of well kept models. The 9000 is a very well designed and build car, but secondhand bargains, so the jury is still out.

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