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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:56:51 -0400
From: ma_twain <ma_twainnospamo.com>
Subject: Re: SAAB Quality Since GM?


Malt_Hound wrote: > ma_twain wrote: > >> >> >> Malt_Hound wrote: >> >>> Steve Wade wrote: >>> >>>> "> >>>> >>>>> Not a particular good example. The 9-5 also has chain-driven >>>>> cam-shafts. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This seems to suggest that at least one core value is still intact - >>>> which >>>> is nice to know.. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Timing chain is a core value? Why so lazy people don't have to do >>> maintenance and their engine will not self destruct? I suppose >>> Ferrari has no core values either because they use those >>> reprehensible timing belts in their inferior engine designs? >> >> >> >> >> Perhaps you enjoy spending $1,000 every 30,000 miles just to replace a >> timing belt > > > It does not cost that much on any SAAB for just the timing belt > replacement. You exaggerate by a factor of 2, and the last I heard, the > first 3 belts are covered under the warranty so all you have to do is > drag your car into the stealership on time. I bought the car used. It was sold after the head was repaired when the timing belt broke. So, I got the first timing belt and a new head "free". I considered this when I bought the car. I do not think the car will last much longer than another 30,00 miles anyway - with a beginning drive behind the wheel :-( > >> and much more if it breaks while the engine is running - I don't. > > > Yes, more if you don't change the belts, but if you do they are pretty > darn unlikely to fail between those changes unless you have some other > untended problems, like oil leaking on the belt. > > Now consider this: The same type of poor maintenance practices by > owners that cause belts to go unchanged and break are also the reason > that timing chains will go tits up at around 100k miles (sometimes even > less) with the same damage to the top end. Even if they don't let it go > to the point of breaking, a timing chain replacement (which seems to be > required on even well maintained SAABs after an average of 110-120k > miles) is a far more expensive proposition that the timing belt > replacement and is *not* covered under any warranty that I am aware of. As far as I know, my first Saab was running fine with the original timing chain at 225,000 miles. I sold it to a teenage driver who had three accidents in the first month - so you know how it eventually died. > >> I have a V6 GM 900, but I bought it as a 'sacrificial' car for amy >> daughter to learn to drive in, and I suspect it will acquire many >> dents and scratches before long once she starts. >> >> As for using Ferrari as an example - why don't you tell us what >> maintenance intervals are for the Ferrari? I heard a rumor, and I >> will qualify it as a rumor, that the engine needs an overhaul every >> 3,000 miles. > > > You're right, it is just a rumor, and a silly one at that. Perhaps they > are talking about oil changes, but even those are at 10k miles on modern > ones. The major service interval is 30k miles. That's when the belt > gets changed. You can verify that on Ferrari's web site if you wish. > >

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