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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:13:38 GMT
From: Paul Halliday <pjghnospamyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Well, the convertible is on Ebay now.


in article 48itflFk7llkU1nospamvidual.net, Dave Hinz at DaveHinznospamcop.net wrote on 24/03/2006 18:52: > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:06:01 GMT, Paul Halliday <pjghnospamyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> in article 48io0pFkf35bU1nospamvidual.net, Dave Hinz at DaveHinznospamcop.net >> wrote on 24/03/2006 17:19: >> >>> Wow. So you guys get around the constitutional protections (oh, >>> wait...) by having a de-facto police force which isn't bound to play by >>> the rules. Wow. Just...wow. > >> I don't believe we have any constitutional protections, since we have no >> such thing as a constitution! >> Our country has a long tradition of getting one set of downtrodden to beat >> down on another set of downtrodden which the "powers that be" don't get >> involved. > > I'm gonna have to side with my ancestors on this one and say "time to > leave". Well, this stream of discussion has led me to understand the US as "the land of the free", where the constitution has a real meaning. I know the US gets knocked both internally and internationally, with some sense of irony over the matter, but a constitution which enshrines the right to life without oppression is truly enviable. When I look towards our European brethren, I see just that, too! >> Our Police are simply not interested in anything to do with people - they >> avoid turning up to "domestic incidents", citing that it's not their >> problem, child abuse/persecution, since that is for Social Services to deal >> with, car crime, since that's a matter for insurance companies, as is >> burglary and housebreaking. Stand in protest about unjust taxes, like we did >> in the early to mid-90s when the Poll Tax was introduced (which essentially >> was a tax on our right to vote), and the whole Force comes out in strength. > > I'm trying very, very had not to point out what, to me, is blisteringly > obvious. Civil disobedience? National riot? Well, we had that in 1979 when our government (Labour, kind of Democrat people) had made such a fuck up that we turned around and unanimously voted them out. Well, if I had known what Margaret Thatcher was about to get up to I would not have bothered being born! That continued to the point that we'd had too much and gave them a unanimous "fuck off" in 1995. There were no Tory (Republican kind of people) seats in Wales or Scotland .. Or Yorkshire (Yay!) .. New Labour was born. Hmmm ... We seem to just get the same people in time and time again. We all know it is because the government have no real power; that the power base is unelected peers, but those peers actually stop the kind of draconian, nay, Orwellian acts of Parliament that our (current and former) governments seem so intent of passing into law. I said, Britain is fucked! Hey, you French ... How's Normandy or Brittany? I really get the impression I'd feel very much at home with you guys! <snip>Cops, asshats and what-not ... >> 2. Hunting with dogs. Okay we can't hunt with dogs now. We can hunt and have >> our dogs tag along. > > OK, so why specifically is taking a dog with you to hunt a problem? Is > this some overreaction to the fox hunting thing? What about bird-dogs? > What are you supposed to do, find a texas lawyer to go fetch the > partridges that you shoot or something? (I've heard that can be > hazardous depending on who you're hunting with). Yes, fox hunting is barbaric and should not be allowed. The traditional "get pissed, mount a horse, get yer dogs and run down a fox" is barbaric ... And not allowed. Therefore, you are no longer allowed to hunt a fox that way. Get pissed, grab yer dogs (and yer gun) and go and shoot a fox is okay! So long as your dog does not get there before your bullet. Yes, Britain is fucked! >> Not me, personally, but you see the trouble with this >> one. I almost joined the Countryside Alliance "just because" over this one. >> It is simply retarded! How can you possibly police that? How can you >> question a dog about his motives? So, Rex, when you tagged along with your >> master on that hunt and then dashed to catch that fox, was your master >> hunting with you, or did you do it on your own volition? It's just dumb! > > Funny thing about dogs and tagging along - a friend of mine came out > this fall to borrow a rifle for deer hunting. I've got 30 acres out in > the country (let's see, that's, 12+ hectares, if that means more to you? > 300 meters by 400 meters, roughly). So anyway, we're out sighting in > the rifle, and this golden lab wanders over and lays down next to us > while we're shooting. Time to go change targets; he's wearing his > hunting stuff, carrying the gun, and the dog got into proper "I'm > going hunting" position. The thing is, I have no idea, to this day, > whose dog this was. No tags (grumble), well taken care of though. We > stopped shooting eventually, the dog lost interest and went back into > the woods behind my land, off to wherever it was from. (shrug?) > > But, that'd be a perfect example of a dog just tagging along with a > hunting party. "Really, your honor, I have no idea who this dog is". Yes, to the extreme, and no. The traditional "hunt" involves scores of people whose livelihood is keeping the dogs for the hunt, or the horses, or making the jackets, or ... It really is a hard question and the wishy-washy "you can't hunt with dogs, but it's okay to socialise with them while _you_ do so" legislation is just bollocks and soooo symptomatic of the way Britain has gone recently. I'm not in favour of fox hunting in the traditional sense, but what a farmer does to protect his livelihood against wild animals is absolutely acceptable. The funny thing is, when I lived in rural Wales, I was against it, but now I live in metropolitan Yorkshire, I can see its merits!? The rest of Britain that just gets on with it is fine ... We're a colourful and still great nation. We just keep letting ourselves down with the most ridiculous crap imaginable ... Well, we can ignore most of it, because it really is not policeable. If we're ever in court about what we've done, we know we've shaken "the state" ... Otherwise, we're left alone and we leave well alone! So, what's with this Guantanamo Bay business? :) Paul 1989 900 Turbo S http://saab.go.dyndns.org/

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