Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:19:51 +0100
From: johannes <johsnospam-nospamme95754-fitter.com>
Subject: Re: What killed this group?


DervMan wrote: > > "Richard Sutherland-Smith" <richard.ssnospamr.net.nz> wrote in message > news:d1d7fc1b4f.Richardnospamard.ss.clear.net.nz... > >> "Al" <alistairdorenospamo.com> wrote in message > >> news:Z3%Bi.189412$lx3.6123nospamnews.blueyonder.co.uk... > >>> > >>> "DervMan" <thedervmannospaml.com> wrote in message > >>> news:46d853a4$0$13924$fa0fcedbnospam.zen.co.uk... > >>>> "E. Newnes" <enewns45nospamo.com> wrote in message > >>>> news:epafd3tbrdb1i5rh1d23ggjh65cskp0ikenospamcom... > >>>>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:21:14 +0100, "DervMan" <thedervmannospaml.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab > >>>>>>*because* > >>>>>>of the GM influence. > >>>>> > >>>>> But they are not being introduced to real Saabs, only to the ghost of > >>>>> the "brand". Long time GM customers are used to a diet of multi hued > >>>>> shit and would only expect more of the same, so they will > >>>>> inadvertently aid and abet the loss of Saab DNA. > >>>> > >>>> Says who? What makes a real Saab a real Saab? Why is a current Saab a > >>>> lesser Saab than a 1980 Saab? > >>>> > >>>> Drive any modern <insert brand> and it's very different from something > >>>> in > >>>> the 1970s. Modern stuff with a Saab badge is a modern interpretation > >>>> of > >>>> what you may consider to be a proper Saab. > >>>> > >>> Sorry, but that's just Tommy Rot. It's not an interpretation, it's a > >>> Vauxhall with a blue badge. (I like Vauxhalls BTW!) > > > >> Aie but who designed it? > > > >>> Real Saabs died with the 9000, the last Saab with any true Saab > >>> bloodline. > >>> > >>> That said, the 9-3 is an excellent motorcar, and the most reliable car > >>> (of > >>> any brand) we've ever owned was a NG 900s. > > > >> My heart wanted a classic Saab 900 Turbo with air conditioning. > > > >> My budget said 9-3. My head said Mondeo TDCi. > > > >> In the end I bought the diesel 9-3, knowing its faults* but also its > >> strengths. It has the understeery Saab-esque handling, it has those > >> seats > >> and that interior, but it also has a Japanese engine and GM running gear. > > > > The old 9-3 had a GM diesel 2.2L, the new one has the Alfa derived > > 1.9L. They have a Jap auto gearbox? > > It's an Isuzu-designed unit. But bear in mind that FIAT originally pioneered the common rail diesel injection system, so the Alfa derived 1.9 turbo diesels engines aren't bad for a rep-mobile. Also found in Vauxhall/Opel cars.

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