This is an artifact of the lame keyless ignition that has no point and creates problems. It really is stupid on multiple grounds.

With a key if you wanted your key out you needed to put it into park. Saab even made you put it into reverse with a manual. This simply makes sense.

The combination of a cut key and electronics also is clearly more secure. It is two factor authentication of sorts.

I need some place to put my darn keys any way. I'd rather have them in the ignition than my pocket or tosses in a console. I am not going to forget to take them with me if I use it to turn of the engine.

I still think it is faster and more intuitive to kill the engine with a key in an emergency. Combine that with steering columns that don't lock when doing so like many SAABs over the years and unlike most other keyed ignitions and you have a superior design that is safer.

...

There is a place for complex systems but we have gotten too clever for our own good.



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• U.S. steps up probe of BMW 7-series crashes, Steve T., Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:59:35
  • Actually it shows the stupidity of keyless ignitions, ursaw, Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:42:45 <-- Viewing This Message
  • All of these problems are caused by, vvk, Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:54:05
    • are they?, Siegfried, Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:52:29
  • The design of the elec. auto trans lever in new BMWs, Paul H, Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:44:04
  • Re: U.S. steps up probe of BMW 7-series crashes, turbosaab , Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:03:12
  • Similar to Lexus that crashed at high speed, MI-Roger , Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:28:31
    • Re: Similar to Lexus that crashed at high speed, aka oldsaab, Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:36:15
      • Link?, AeroBaron, Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:14:46
        • do a search, aka oldsaab, Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:55
    • Re: Similar to Lexus that crashed at high speed, TML , Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:28:57
      • Link to story, MI-Roger , Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:02:22
        • Re: Link to story, TML , Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:13:50
    • Re: Similar to Lexus that crashed at high speed, Don M , Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:55:14
      • More on keys, Dan-O, Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:12:34
        • Re: More on keys, PGAero , Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:54:01
          • Re: More on keys--ditto, Noel, Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:27:30
      • My first car had an ignition key and a starter button, Noel, Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:42:06
        • Re: My first car had an ignition key and a starter button, Bill Homer , Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:21:30
        • Re: Start button, BobS, Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:40:23
          • I understand all of that, bu tit is still......., Notnoel , Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:50:09
            • You kinda nailed it., Noel, Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:39:17
              • Re: You nailed it., BobS, Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:39:39
                • That's sorta my point., Noel, Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:50:14
      • Re: Similar to Lexus that crashed at high speed, brick8, Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:10:43
      • Re: Ignition keys - AMEN!, Notnoel , Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:53:11
        • HA! n/m, AdamSAAB2kAero , Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:52:06
      • Re: Similar to Lexus that crashed at high speed, Justin VanAbrahams , Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:29:01

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