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Man, spot on.
Posted by Justin VanAbrahams [Email] (more from Justin VanAbrahams) on Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:15:00
In Reply to: I know it is difficult to believe, I was in the same boat, vvk, Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:44:41
In three years of electric car ownership, I think we used a public charger maybe four times. Once for sure just to see how it worked, the other three were "just in case." The other 1090 days we charged at home, overnight, while sleeping. I bought a $500 Siemens L2 charger, hooked it up to the electrical box, and voila, done.
My parents owned a 500e for three years as well, and just replaced it with a Bolt. I believe in the roughly 40 total months of ownership they used a public charger twice - one to see how it worked, then again last weekend just because plugging in allowed them to park conveniently. My dad actually sent me this email:
> Monday 7/17.2017 we drove from home to XXXXX's place, went to lunch
> about 8 miles away (round trip) and then drove home. That was a
> total of 182 miles.
> In Walnut Creek we plugged the car into a free Level 2 charger for
> two hours while eating lunch which added 26 miles of range to the
> battery. (Charge was started when the remaining range was 164 miles;
> when we pulled the cable the remaining range was 190 miles so, it
> was not a 40 AMP charger... maybe half that.)
> The entire trip was made with the AC on (dashboard thermometer readout
> was never under 89° and got up to 102°). The "usual" speed on the
> speedometer was 65 MPH. Frequently we hit 70-72 MPH when keeping up
> with traffic.
> When we got home the range meter said the remaining range was 108
> If we'd not recharged the car in Walnut Creek we'd have arrived
> home with 72 miles on the meter (which means with hot weather, AC
> on and freeway driving the range is 254 miles).
> To replace the missing 44.5 kWh in the battery electricity will cost
> $3.15 (at $0.0716/kWh) or about a gallon of gas. According to the
> onboard display it will take 7hr 30min to fully recharge the battery.
"182 miles per gallon" is pretty great. Even with pretty onerous electricity rates it's still 90 miles per gallon. They save around $200-$250 per month in fuel vs. the four cylinder Ford Fusion (~25mpg) they would otherwise drive. Sometimes - albeit rarely - the Bolt can't get them where they are going - visit family in Oregon or Washington, for example. In those situations, the $250 they didn't spend on gas buys a couple weeks in a rental car or, as often as not, plane tickets. Since those long road trips certainly don't happen every month, it's *still* a net positive.
It's very easy to dismiss electric cars as "insufficient," but if you sit down and do the math, being realistic about use and not imagining the worst case scenario as the common scenario electric cars make a lot of sense for a lot of people. Our 500e was virtually free to own - yes, the range was limited, but even using it *purely* to commute every day it paid for itself, offsetting about $170/mo in gas. That's not bad. Nope, they won't work for everyone - maybe you don't have a place to rent an ICE nearby, maybe you don't have an electrical outlet where you park, or maybe you have a fear of flying and that's all fair. But most cars for most people never see more than 60-80 miles per day. An even larger group - almost all encompassing - never sees more than 150 miles per day. If you fit into that group - acknowledging that *occasionally* you drive further - you really should bust out Excel and crunch some numbers.
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Posts in this Thread:
- OT: Irrational Exurbance?, MI-Roger , Wed, 12 Jul 2017 08:32:56
- Re: another interesting discussion n/m, Tom G , Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:01:20
- Amazing ownership experience, vvk, Fri, 14 Jul 2017 16:19:27
- I still don't understand all of the attraction, MI-Roger , Sat, 15 Jul 2017 14:40:18
- Let me explain, vvk, Mon, 17 Jul 2017 05:54:35
- OK, now I understand your position, MI-Roger , Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:55:16
- Re: Let me explain, Tom G , Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:29:11
- I know it is difficult to believe, I was in the same boat, vvk, Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:44:41
- Man, spot on., Justin VanAbrahams, Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:15:00 <-- Viewing This Message
- Re: thanks for the info, Tom G , Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:56:10
- Not me, vvk, Wed, 19 Jul 2017 04:04:29
- Electric vehicle recharging is shockingly inexpensive, MI-Roger , Tue, 18 Jul 2017 05:07:52
- Re: I still don't understand all of the attraction, JerseySaab , Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:58:28
- Re: OT: Irrational Exurbance?, Dean, Fri, 14 Jul 2017 09:29:47
- Why I buy used cars... and never first model years!, Snowmobile , Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:03:51
- Re: OT: Irrational Exurbance?, JerseySaab , Wed, 12 Jul 2017 08:53:42
- Electric car fee, Finch, Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:39:11
- Re: OT: Irrational Exurbance?, Bill Homer, Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:38:52
- Re: OT: Irrational Exurbance?, JerseySaab , Wed, 12 Jul 2017 15:46:57
- Re: OT: Irrational Exurbance?, Bill Homer, Thu, 13 Jul 2017 08:44:22
- Substantial??, A1-turbo, Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:54:31
- EPA mileage vs real world, vvk, Fri, 14 Jul 2017 16:28:23
- Skewed comparisons, Bill Homer, Thu, 13 Jul 2017 21:54:59
- Re: volt, Tom G , Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:00:09
- Re: volt, Bill Homer, Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:10:44
- Re: Skewed comparisons, Snowmobile , Fri, 14 Jul 2017 06:53:11
- Fuel cost savings changes by around $10, A1-turbo, Fri, 14 Jul 2017 06:28:26
- Re: OT: Irrational Exurbance?, JerseySaab , Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:46:12
- Re: OT: Irrational Exurbance?, A1-turbo, Wed, 12 Jul 2017 12:05:39
- You are using outdated information, Bill Homer, Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:27:36
- My premium comment was about the Audi, A1-turbo, Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:21:58
- $0.06/kWh ??? Where does this come from?, dmz789qqq, Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:07:53
- Re: $0.06/kWh ??? Where does this come from?, Justin VanAbrahams, Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:01:28
- Re: $0.06/kWh ??? Where does this come from?, dmz789qqq, Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:06:33
- Re: $0.06/kWh ??? Where does this come from?, Justin VanAbrahams, Wed, 12 Jul 2017 21:13:59
- Does 8 c/kWh include everything? Are you sure?, dmz789qqq, Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:31:44
- Re: Does 8 c/kWh include everything? Are you sure?, Justin VanAbrahams, Thu, 13 Jul 2017 03:14:52
- Southern California's Rates Doubled Over North Central California, DnstrDan , Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:41:33
- Yes, we are getting hosed. Most of CA is too., dmz789qqq, Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:16:33
- Re: Does 8 c/kWh include everything? Are you sure?, Bill Homer, Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:01:09
- Re: You are using outdated information, Snowmobile , Wed, 12 Jul 2017 15:10:41
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