Re: Starter Gremlins - Saabnet.com Bulletin Board


[General | Members | C900 | 9000 | NG900 & OG93 | 93 | 95 | NG95 | 99 | Sonett | Vintage Models | Performance | Detail | Clubs & SOC | Other Cars | Books Movies & Music | Chat | FAQs | Gifts | Member Photo Galleries | Member Directory | Classifieds | Service/Mechs | Manuals | Polls | What's New | Raffle | Photo of the Month | Sponsors]

Sonett Bulletin Board
1964-1974
Search:
(Search Author's Posts: e.g. Keyword:Author)*Members Only


[Main Sonett Bulletin Board | Post Followup | BBFAQ ] [ Prev by Date ] [ Next by Date ] Member Login / Signup [Most Recently Edited Saabnet.com Photo Galleries]
Re: Starter Gremlins
Posted by Old Guy [Email] (more from Old Guy) on Mon, 27 Nov 2017 21:14:50

In Reply to: Re: Starter Gremlins, eric in vermont [Profile/Gallery] , Mon, 27 Nov 2017 17:42:27
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:

Eric in Vermont,
I've got 12-14 volts to the primary solenoid post, continuity between the chassis and the engine block via the primary grounding wire, and a functioning ignition circuit (12-14 volts when activated). What I also have (under the conditions described in the original post) is an energized engine block - in other words if I test for voltage between the chassis and engine block, I'm reading the same 12-14 volts.

When I say there is voltage across the post, I'm referring to the second smaller post that connects the solenoid to the starter. This post is directly connected to the ignition circuit via the solenoid windings and is what the internal tab of the solenoid connects to when the solenoid is activated and retracts. Normally, when the ignition switch is activated, power will run through the ignition wire connection, then through the coil wires (activating the coil and connecting the internal tab to the primary power at the main post while simultaneously extending the starter gear). The power then transfers via the wire on the smaller post to the starter motor coils, activating the starter, and is grounded on the far side of the starter brushes to the starter casing/engine block and returns to the battery.

Should the body of the solenoid also be connected to the smaller post? On both my original solenoid and my brand new replacement, this is the case, which seems odd to me. You mentioned the possibility of a shorted starter. I'm not sure how you check that as the starter is intentionally grounded to the casing (after the windings). Is it possible the culprit is rather a shorted solenoid?

Unless I'm missing something, the smaller post should never be powered unless the ignition switch has been activated. The fact that it is means that power is running backwards through the assembly so that when the ignition circuit is turned on it is effectively nulled because the circuit is already saturated.

It's not uncommon to damage electronic ignition circuits when troubleshooting, and I'm guessing that while the module creates a magnetic field, it should not be grounding to the distributor. I'm also guessing that I may have a bad/grounded temperature sensor. Both are relatively easily replaced. The alternator is a bit of a crap shoot. I've added a remanufactured unit from a later Saab 900 that has a higher output as I'm running double electric cooling fans, an AC unit and modern radio system. As a retrofit, it's possible I don't have the connection right for the charging trouble light. The new alternator has an internal voltage regulator. What still has me scratching my head, however, is with all three disconnected (and no voltage across the engine block) I'm still not getting any action out of the starter.


posted by 173.174....

Posts in this Thread:
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:

Post a Followup

No Site Registration is Required to Post - Site Membership is optional (Member Features List), but helps to keep the site online
for all Saabers. If the site helps you, please consider helping the site by becoming a member.

Name: Member Login / Signup [Most Recently Edited Saabnet.com Photo Galleries]
E-Mail: (Optional)
Re-Enter E-Mail: (Confidential & Secure - Not revealed to other users!)
Note: Please check your spam folder for BB responses.
If you use GMail, follow these instructions from Google so that they appear in your regular inbox.

Subject:

Posting rules are simple - No for sale/wanted ads or live auctions may be here - use the classifieds.
You may not cross-post your message to multiple BBs.
Personal attacks, insults, or flaming are not allowed.
Site Members do not see any red text, inline ad links, skyscraper ads, box ads, nor anti-spam check.

Message: (please no for sale/wanted classifieds - post those in the TSN Classifieds)
To add inline links to your post, use [link]http://www.domain.com/[endlink] or use the Optional fields below.
To add inline images to your post, use [img]http://www.domain.com/img.jpg[endimg] or use the Optional Image Link field below.


Optional Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/)
To promote your own Saab site here, you must have a link back to The Saab Network.
Link Title: (Optional)
Optional Image Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/img.jpg)





The content on this site may not be republished without permission. Copyright © 1988-2018 - The Saab Network - saabnet.com.
For usage guidelines, see the Saabnet.com Mission and Purpose Page.
[Contact | Site Map | Saabnet.com on Facebook | Saabnet.com on Twitter | Shop Amazon via TSN | Site Donations]

This is a moderated bulletin board - Posting is a privilege, not a right. Unsolicited commercial postings are not allowed (no Spam). Please, no For Sale or Wanted postings, SERIOUSLY. Classifieds are to be listed in The Saab Network Classifieds pages. This is a problem solving forum for over 250,000 Saab owners, so expect to see problems discussed here even though our cars are generally very reliable. This is not an anything goes type of forum. Saabnet.com has been a moderated forum since 1988. For usage guidelines, see the Saabnet.com Mission and Purpose Page. Please remember that you are not anonymous. Site Contact | Site Donations | Other Sites by SP - Poverty2Prosperity.org
Your address is: 54.224.235.183 - Using CCBot/2.0 (http://commoncrawl.org/faq/) - Logged.
Site Members do not see red text instructions, skyscraper, nor box ads.
Click here to see all the Site Membership Benefits!