Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:31:24 GMT From: "Ture Utriainen" <karin.altahr-cederbergnopsama.com> Subject: Re: Engine noise 9.5 engines
Depends on exactly when.... It could be that I'll go but I'll have to check some other dates before that. "VIKINGMAN" <saabnopsamlixnet._nospam_dk> wrote in message news:RXXP6.3164$rB3.356324nopsam010.worldonline.dk... > I just follow the Swedish Saab Turbo Club forum also. This topic has been > discussed plenty there. According to a chief engineer from Saab, it simply > isn't possible, without doing major changes to the engine. For one, the > intake manifold isn't laid out to be able to handle the amount of air, 300 > Bhp would take. > > A question though: Are you gonna partisipate in the Saab Festival in June in > Trollh”ttan? I'm gonna be there and I'd like to see your car. :o) > > Cheers! > > > "Ture Utriainen" <karin.altahr-cederbergnopsama.com> skrev i en meddelelse > news:vfSP6.12588$sk3.3443350nopsamb.telia.net... > > How come! Ther's 230 (+10) to start with and then You can beleive me that > > ther's a great difference after the conversion. What would You need as > > "proof"? Do You honestly think that Saab is lying about the 95's > > performance? I'm really interested in why You think as You do! If (and I > say > > if) Your'e right then I'd really like to know about it..... > > > > > > "VIKINGMAN" <saabnopsamlixnet._nospam_dk> wrote in message > > news:t3RP6.2594$rB3.277831nopsam010.worldonline.dk... > > > Still doesn't convice me... > > > > > > > > > "Ture Utriainen" <karin.altahr-cederbergnopsama.com> skrev i en > meddelelse > > > news:VONP6.5040$Yu6.1198254nopsamc.telia.net... > > > > Look at this please > http://www.saabtuning.com/saabtuning/9-5/ > > > > > > > > "VIKINGMAN" <saabnopsamlixnet._nospam_dk> wrote in message > > > > news:xMcP6.1933$Zs3.316452nopsam010.worldonline.dk... > > > > > Can you say 250 - 260 Bhp. The 300 Bhp is utopia! The engine is > simply > > > not > > > > > lais out for this. It would only be possible via larger engine > > > upgrades - > > > > > manifold, turbo, exhaust and so on. If you don't believe me, look at > > the > > > > > swedish turbo club BB. Even the BSR Saab 9-5 wasn't any faster than > a > > > > > regular 9-5 Aero and it was supposed to have some 280 Bhp.... > > > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > > > "Ture Utriainen" <karin.altahr-cederbergnopsama.com> skrev i en > > > meddelelse > > > > > news:oiaP6.4730$Yu6.1099071nopsamc.telia.net... > > > > > > Hmmmm... I think I didn't express the value of having 300Hp in my > 95 > > > > Aero. > > > > > > You see i still have all the guaranties intact after my conversion > > > > > although > > > > > > by NordicUhr and not by Saab. This is ofcourse invaluable as I'd > > > > otherwise > > > > > > would risk the whole car if sh-t did happen. This I mean, gives a > > clue > > > > to > > > > > > the quality and overall strength in the Saab concept and as such > > also > > > > > points > > > > > > a finger at the american owner GM and their products. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow, how come that a conversion like this wouldn't be legal in > > the > > > > > > states? I mean, You really don't change much after all... > > > > > > > > > > > > "Johannes H Andersen" <johsnopsamsafish.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:3AF520FB.74F924AAnopsamsafish.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spuds Velvet wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <JsiI6.8263$sk3.2295626nopsamb.telia.net>, > > > > > > > > karin.altahr-cederbergnopsama.com says... > > > > > > > > > My my my..... Is this bullshit or what! I turn out 300 hp > from > > > my > > > > 95 > > > > > > > > > stationwagon and it givs specs close to those of BMW M5 and > > even > > > > > beats > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > M5 in some areas. Talking about value for money!! You guys > are > > > > > > pathetic when > > > > > > > > > You talk about some Saturn crappy american car that's > supposed > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same as a Saab. Are americans ignorant or what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -) You can rebuild almost anything to make it perform. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -) I doubt that your car would be legal to drive on the > > > > > > > > street in the US. I'd like to drive it, and I salute > > > > > > > > you -- but a 300 HP Saab is a rare beast here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -) Saturn isn't a luxury car. That is exactly my point. > > > > > > > > GM must put engines into Saturns that are cheap to > > > > > > > > manufacture. If GM puts the same engine into a Saab > > > > > > > > that they put into a Saturn; then we have some fair > > > > > > > > questions to ask them about that engine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -) ... and the Saturn LS Wagon does indeed > > > > > > > > compare well against the Saab -- the Saab is better, but > > > > > > > > the Saturn could be "rebuilt" (see my first point, above). > > > > > > > > Both wagons use the Opel platform. The wagons share the > > > > > > > > same interior and exterior dimensions. Part count and > > > > > > > > build quality are comparable, with the Saab showing an > > > > > > > > edge, but not a whole lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -) I don't know what GM does in Europe; but here in the US, GM > > > > > > > > is infamous for taking cheap assemblies and putting them > > > > > > > > into premium cars. Putting a cheap Opel engine into an > > > > > > > > expensive Saab is EXACTLY the kind of krap that US Saab > > > > > > > > owners are leery of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any American posting to this group could name a half-dozen > > > > > > > > domestic examples of GM marketing expensive cars that > > > > > > > > incorporate cheap light-duty assemblies from their economy > > > > > > > > cars. We extend our collective sympathy to our friends > > > > > > > > in Europe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > x) Chev V8s used in Buicks. > > > > > > > > x) Midsize Cadillacs built on the old Chev Nova platform. > > > > > > > > x) Opel light-duty manual transmissions used in midsize > > Chevs. > > > > > > > > x) Cadillac Escalade is really a GMC Yukon for $xxxx more. > > > > > > > > x) Olds Bravada based on the Chev equivalent for $xxxx > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to read a detailed engineering overview and analysis > > > > > > > > of the Saab/Opel V6. What kind of service was this engine > > > > > > > > designed to perform -- can it be used in light trucks? Was it > > > > > > > > designed to be used in racing vehicles? Is Saab > > > > > > > > 'remanufacturing' the V6 blocks to improve them, the way they > > > > > > > > have in the past with the Ford V4 and the triumph L4? Did > Saab > > > > > > > > prepare that Opel engine to handle high revs and > turbocharging, > > > > > > > > or did they just drop it into a 9-5 body? I'd like Saab to > > > > > > > > provide a candid and *detailed* explanation of what they did > to > > > > > > > > that engine to make it worthy of putting into a Saab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SVelvet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These days, all you get is the advertising blabber that "Saab > like > > > > > > > the driver to be in control of all the forces...." with subtle > > > > > > > references to their fighter aircraft engineering. This is > supposed > > > > > > > to answer all your questions. Here in the UK, the motoring > journos > > > > > > > have a lot to answer for, they have no mechanical knowledge > > > > > > > whatsoever and focus exclusively on the cars status+image. BMW > > > > > > > is the holy grail for them no matter what. They test cars by > > > > > > > doing some tire burning spins and complain if the engine doesn't > > > > > > > scream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some years ago I read comparative tests in a German car > magazine, > > > > > > > I found it much more systematic and better informed about the > > > > > > > differences in engineering. This critical audience may have > played > > > > > > > part in the general excellence of many German makes, but even so > > > > > > > their motoring journos have some realistic sense of proportion, > > > > > > > while here in the UK, the German makes are regarded with awe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Johannes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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