Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:54:11 GMT
From: Bruce Bergman <>
Subject: Re: Does anyone use synthetic oils?

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:10:17 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <> wrote: >> > Your reasons for your reply would be nice to know, Daniel. >> Why do you not trust >> > Amsoil? Do you speak from experience? Genuinely interested >> not pulling your >> > plonker. >> > Cheers, Peter. >> > >> ================== >> I don't know about Daniel's reasons, but the biggest reason >> that I would avoid Amsoil is that I understand that it is >> not rated or certified by the American Petroleum Institute >> (API) or Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE). Your >> owner's manual specifies an API rating of something like SE, >> SF, or SH and if the oil you put into the engine does not >> carry it, then you will have no warranty protection on your >> engine or components lubricated by the non-certified oil. >> Ray O > > >So, Ray, is there somewhere one can go to see these ratings, or lack >thereof, in the case of Amsoil? That would be helpful. Also, the Amsoil >website says this: > >---------- >Will AMSOIL Moto Oils void the warranty of a new vehicle? > >Absolutely not! Manufacturers' warranties are based upon the use of oils >meeting specific API Service Classifications, for example, SJ/CF. (AMSOIL >lubricants meet the current API Service requirements and, thus, are >perfectly suited for use in any new vehicle without affecting the validity >of the new vehicle warranty.) >----------- > >Is this wording intended to mislead? Thanks. Yes, that wording is intended to deceive. Saying that they 'meet the requirements' is worth nothing. If I said that putting pure beef tallow in your engine 'met the requirements', would you believe me? I can say it, but since I never submitted it to an independent laboratory for testing there's no way to prove it. But when your engine blew up, *you* would have to prove that it met the requirements to the dealer and the auto manufacturer... The only way to cover your a** is to run oils that have been certified and carry the API markings on the label. From what I've heard here previously, scAmsoil has not submitted most of their products for independent laboratory testing (except two, PCO and XL-7500), because they know they're over the limits on certain chemical compounds - which means they do NOT meet the requirements. And your new car warranty calls for an API-certified oil. Which the vehicle manufacturer and the dealer will gladly explain as they deny the warranty claim. Plus, you're paying for multi-level marketing costs, which inflates the price of the scAmsoil products. You can get Mobil1 or another properly certified synthetic oil from a local retailer for a significantly lower price, Mobil1 hovers around $3.50 a quart, the retail prices scAmsoil is listing average about $5.50 a quart - plus shipping and handling... If you want the benefits, run Mobil1 or another mainstream product. And if you want or need 'micro-filtration' add a bypass depth filter. Ask at a /good/ full-service auto parts store like NAPA, they can sell you the filters, mounting adapters and plumbing bits to hook it up. --<< Bruce >>-- Copied from American Petroleum Institute site at and reformatted for brevity: >The Certification Marks referred to and licensed under the agreement >between API and AMSOIL, Superior, WI 54880 THE UNITED STATES are as follows: > >API Service Symbol License No. 0995 > >Licensee is authorized to display the API Service Symbol on the following products: >BRAND NAME SAE VISCOSITY GRADE SERVICE CATEGORY >AMSOIL PCO 15W-40 SJ/CH-4 >AMSOIL XL-7500 10W-30 SJ/CF* >AMSOIL XL-7500 5W-30 SJ/CF* > >*Energy Conserving >The Certification Marks referred to and licensed under the agreement >between API and AMSOIL, Superior, WI 54880 THE UNITED STATES are as follows: > >API Certification Mark > >Licensee is authorized to display the API Certification Mark on the following products: >BRAND NAME SAE VISCOSITY GRADE >AMSOIL XL-7500 10W-30 >AMSOIL XL-7500 5W-30 -- Bruce L. Bergman Return to Main Index

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