Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:34:22 GMT From: th <someguynospamwhere.se> Subject: Re: Have Saab reintroduced hatchback yet?
DervMan wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote in message > news:46F13FF0.E21C9347nospamail.com... >> >> DervMan wrote: >> >>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote >>>> DervMan wrote: >>>>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote >>>>>> DervMan wrote: >>>>>>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote >>>>>>>> Unfortunately estate cars are noisier than hatchbacks. All your >>>>>>>> 'litter' in the back is also on show. >>>>>>> Neither is true of the majority. Have you driven an estate in the >>>>>>> last five years? >>>>>> I've had no occasion to. >>>>> So you base your argument on what they used to be like? >>>> In the absense of an alternative ..... >>> On the other hand it would be like me trying to service a gas boiler. >> Have you tried ? I have. It's not difficult. It's pretty basic engineering >> after >> all ! >> >> >>> Years ago I used a camping stove, it can't be much different. >> Really ? >> >> >>>> You would after all expect an estate to be noisier from first >>>> principles. >>> Like the absence of an effective sound >>>> absence of an effective sound deadening barrier. >>> Two points here. One is that improvement prevents the noise from getting >>> into the boot. >> How exactly. The road noise is still there. I dare say you can fit more >> sound >> deadening panels on the floor but hatches have that as well already. > > Are you being deliberately stupid, or just trying to prove a point to > somebody else, somewhere else? > >>> Two is that many estates have a load cover anyway, which may >>> keep things quieter. >> The load cover is unlikely to be any more effective than a hatch's rear >> shelf >> and being bigger will let more sound through. > > In this case you are wrong. > >>>>>> How did they get quieter ? >>>>> The same way everything else is quieter. Improved design, materials >>>>> and >>>>> construction. If anything the improvement has been greater because >>>>> they >>>>> were noisier to start with. >>>> So, have 9-5 estates got any quieter since their introduction ? >> So, have 9-5 estates got any quieter since their introduction ? > > I don't know, I've not tried one in the last three years. > > Of course, neither have you, but it appears this won't stop you from > claiming something. > > The early 9-5 estates weren't noticeably louder than the other 9-5 models at > the back. They're not the quietest of machines either. > If you look at the technical data for the MY2000 the 9^5, estates were more quiet than the saloon, at least when measured. IIRC there was a difference of about 2 dB in average and the best estate was about 3 dB more quiet that the worst saloon. Manual being louder than auto tranny. Unfortunately Saab doesn't seem to publish noise data any longer. My impression (from driving many newer 9^5s when my own is in for repair) is that the 9^5 has become louder over the years. This is probably most likely due to larger rims and wider harder tires to allow a more sporty driving style. -- th