Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:44:13 +0100
From: "DervMan" <thedervmannospaml.com>
Subject: Re: Have Saab reintroduced hatchback yet?


"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote in message news:46F13FF0.E21C9347nospamail.com... > > > DervMan wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote >> > DervMan wrote: >> >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote >> >> > DervMan wrote: >> >> >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Unfortunately estate cars are noisier than hatchbacks. All your >> >> >> > 'litter' in the back is also on show. >> >> >> >> >> >> Neither is true of the majority. Have you driven an estate in the >> >> >> last five years? >> >> > >> >> > I've had no occasion to. >> >> >> >> So you base your argument on what they used to be like? >> > >> > In the absense of an alternative ..... >> >> On the other hand it would be like me trying to service a gas boiler. > > Have you tried ? I have. It's not difficult. It's pretty basic engineering > after > all ! > > >> Years ago I used a camping stove, it can't be much different. > > Really ? > > >> > You would after all expect an estate to be noisier from first >> > principles. >> Like the absence of an effective sound >> > absence of an effective sound deadening barrier. >> >> Two points here. One is that improvement prevents the noise from getting >> into the boot. > > How exactly. The road noise is still there. I dare say you can fit more > sound > deadening panels on the floor but hatches have that as well already. Are you being deliberately stupid, or just trying to prove a point to somebody else, somewhere else? >> Two is that many estates have a load cover anyway, which may >> keep things quieter. > > The load cover is unlikely to be any more effective than a hatch's rear > shelf > and being bigger will let more sound through. In this case you are wrong. >> >> > How did they get quieter ? >> >> >> >> The same way everything else is quieter. Improved design, materials >> >> and >> >> construction. If anything the improvement has been greater because >> >> they >> >> were noisier to start with. >> > >> > So, have 9-5 estates got any quieter since their introduction ? > > So, have 9-5 estates got any quieter since their introduction ? I don't know, I've not tried one in the last three years. Of course, neither have you, but it appears this won't stop you from claiming something. The early 9-5 estates weren't noticeably louder than the other 9-5 models at the back. They're not the quietest of machines either. The Mondeo is just as quiet either way. It's okay to admit that you just don't like estates, rather than invent reasons why they're not as good. -- The DervMan www.dervman.com

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