Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:22:39 GMT From: r600nopsamejanews.com Subject: Re: 9-3 accleration
FYI, all MY99 9-3 SEs come with the new 200hp engine, which produces 209lbft of torque at just 2,100 rpm. More torque and hp at far lower rpms than BMW 3 or Audi A4. The result? Car and Driver says sub-6.6 seconds, 0-60 for the 5-door. The coupe is even quicker. Also included in the package is revised gearing. In article <73hoj8$rm1$1nopsamurst.ccs.yorku.ca>, morrnopsamu.caREMOVE TO REPLY wrote: > Remember, a 0-60 test really includes abusing the car, the Saab 9-3 develops > its peak torque much lowerthen the BMW, although in 185 for it has about 8 hp > less. Its also significantly lighter, weight in at under 3000 lbs vs 3170 for > the beemer. Most magazines test the convertable which is much heavier, and > commonly runs 0-60 between 6.9 and 7.2 depending on which mag did the testing, > so the coupe or 4 dr will be much faster, and the 200 hp faster still. The BMW > runs in about 6.9 sec. As for torque steer, this reputation is based on the 900 > NOT the 9-3, I have a 9-3 and I've hit bumps in corners while acclerating hard, > there is almost no torque steer. The only time I've experienced it was in a > very slow tight corner, when I goosed it to impress a friend, it was still > easily manageble. I also like the Saab dash more then the BMW, its less stark, > but I wish the Saab had a tilt wheel. In terms of value, its no contest. And > the Saab can use regular gas AND gets almost 30 MPG in the real world with me > driving it quite hard. If you think a 4 cyl is buzzy, try a Saab 4, with their > balance shafts, the engine is smoother then I though possible for a 4 cyl. > > Mark > > In article <73emq9$s7a$1nopsam1.dejanews.com>, bazcahcnopsamejanews.com says... > > > >1. Performance: New 3 is not slower from 0 to 60, old 185hp is slower, and a > >new 200hp is about equal. New 3 with a sprt package hanldes no worse than the > >old one according to most test drives. Back to acceleration, I am sure you > >would not dispute that SAAB like any FWD car has a torque steer and without > >Traction control, it's very difficult to keep SAAB performance to its maximum > >without comprimizing safety and without being jerked around and constanlty > >keeping your turbo boost up. BMW is so smooth that you hardly feel anything > >at all. And I suppose that is the beauty of it: it does everything that SAAB > >does in terms of raw numbers if you will, but with considerebly less effort. > >To repeat the old cliche, it's not how fast the car goes for 0 to 60, it's > >how it behaves while doing it. BMW also had Cornering brake control that help > >car's stability during braking in cornering. > > > >2.Safety: no doubt, SAAB is very safe. But the new 3 is no less safe, has 8 > >airbags, including head protection system. 3.Versatility: no doubt, SAAB wins > >big! 4. Individuality: I agree with most of what you said, but just because > >someone else buys a car for a wrong reason, doesn't mean we can't enjoy it. > >To conclude, again, SAAB is a great car, and if it wasn't for a new 3 I'd > >probably get it myself. I am not going to reply to another guy's post where > >he says BMW seats feel like wood. I am just trying to make discussion > >interesting, do you just want everyone here to have the same opinion? Would > >that be exciting? > > > >In article <73e5n7$fpm$1nopsam1.dejanews.com>, > > r600nopsamejanews.com wrote: > >> No doubt the BMW handles better, although the new 3 doesn't handle as well > as > >> the old. However, if you're looking for the perfect balance of performance, > >> safety, versatility and individulaity, then the Saab is your car. Here's > why: > >> > >> 1.Performance: It's new 200hp/209lbft (at just 2,100 rpm) engine allows the > >> 9-3 to accelerate faster than the new 3 the Audi A4, etc... > >> > >> 2.Safety: It's proven real-world safety record, based on studies of > insurance > >> company accident records, not just lab crash tests (lowest injury rate of > any > >> mid-size or smaller car in the U.S.) can't be ignored. > >> > >> 3.Versatility: Neither can the amazing versatility -- it's got the largest > >> trunk of any car sold in the U.S. The hatchback means you can carry your > >> bikes inside the car instead of on the roof. > >> > >> 4. Individuality: Finally, the 9-3 is perfect for those of us who admire and > >> covet the benefits that a BMW offers, but who are not inclined to associate > >> with a brand that has become the "social climbers choice". Of course not all > >> BMW drivers reflect this, but look around and you'll see that most owners > >> bought for prestige, not the excellent performance, handling and styling > >> characteristics that a BMW provides. > >> > >> Finally, a comparably-equipped 3-series is many thousands of dollars more... > >> > >> In article <7379hr$bp6$1nopsam1.dejanews.com>, > >> bazcahcnopsamejanews.com wrote: > >> > I don’t understand why everyone feels so defensive about their Saabs? Some > >> > people were downright offended! I’ve had two Saabs: old 900, and new 900 > >and > >> > although I felt that the old car was more solid, I equally enjoyed both. > As > >a > >> > matter of fact I’ve had very few mechanical problems, only one major > >> > breakdowns in each car. I was also sure that when my lease was up, I’d > buy > >> > another Saab, I was considering both 9-3 and 9-5. I drove them and felt > >like > >> > they were nice cars, 9-3 being more to my liking since it was smaller and > >> > felt more like a sports car, although, I really didn’t like the torque > >steer, > >> > especially when you need to come out of the corner fast. I had not driven > a > >> > BMW then, and although always knew that they make superior handling cars, > >> > that manifested itself by winning all side by side comparisons with other > >> > cars of its class, thought like most of you here they are just the status > >> > symbols. To be fair, Saab convertible beat BMW 328I convertible in 94, > but > >> > BMW won again this yet (per Car and Driver) magazine. Now you guys can > argue > >> > that all the automotive press in the world, (American, British, > Australian, > >> > German and Swedish is biased towards SAABs (they all prefer BMW 328I to > 9-3 > >> > and 528I or 540I to 9-5) , but that is somewhat silly. Anyway, I drove > >both > >> > cars for myself, and at least to me, there is no comparison between the > two. > >> > Has anybody who is so passionately defending SAAB driven new 328I or 528I? > >I > >> > might agree that on a daily commute to work there would be little > difference > >> > between the two or Honda or Toyota, but take it to a twisted road and you > >> > will feel the difference. One caveat, however, those who live in places > >> > where it snows a lot, might do better with SAAB, although I don’t know why > >> > they don’t put traction control on 9-3, it may also help the torque steer. > >> > The rest of you don’t need FWD, BMW with traction control and snow tires > >will > >> > be fine for most situations. In conclusion, I think SAAB is a fine car, > but > >> > it’s now a BMW. > >> > > >> > In article <3651FC59.F3Cnopsamnet>, > >> > jvanabranopsamnet wrote: > >> > > bazcahcnopsamejanews.com wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > For $35,000 you get a new BMW 328i, it's much better car in terms > >> > > > of handling and performance. > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > And you base this on what facts? > >> > > > >> > > -Justin > >> > > > >> > > >> > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > >> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > >> > > >> > >> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > >> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > >> > > > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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