Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:54:06 -0500
From: Jemmie Wang <>
Subject: Re: SAAB =low quality...HA!

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------99C11AD2C5CAE0A2A9199EC4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 1996 Volvo 850R and 1994 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L. Your mentality is all wrong. I am not the type to say, "_____ is the greatest" because I own it. As a matter of fact, I have stated many times on the Volvo newsgroup that I am very disappointed with the quality of the 850R (and got hammered for it). The build quality is poor. Practically every "minor" thing that can go wrong, has. I have had more than a dozen "minor" problems with the 850R. Literally every time I take it in for an oil change, I give the dealer a list of at least four "minor" things to fix. Volvo owners then pointed out that Volvos may have the "minor" problems but can go 250,000 miles. Right. And every Camry chokes after 100,000 miles, right? I don't buy it. My comment on the quality of Saab was just based on what I saw from various owner feedback surveys. I have no firsthand experience (and don't plan on having any). Some smaller manufacturers really do have a problem with build quality. The old joke with Jag was that you had to have two because one was in the shop all the time. Ford has really helped improve at least initial quality (measurable -- how long a certain brand of car is on the road is less measurable). Let's face it: many people who buy Saabs, Volvos and the like do so because they don't want to be the owner of a car which sells 300,000+ units a year (ie: Camry, Accord). They want to be a little different. There's nothing wrong with that -- I am one of them. Is a $27,000 Saab 9-3 a better vehicle than a $22,000 Camry V6? The opposite is probably true. But because people like to differentiate themselves, there will always be room and a small market share for Saab and Volvo. My experience was a bad one and I found out one reason why Toyota sell 300,000+ Camrys a year and Volvo does not sell anywhere near that many 850/S70s -- build quality. Saab and Volvo will continue to be cult cars and their cultish owners will continue to dismiss the "minor" build-quality issues (a measurable number) and promote the longevity of their cars (really a non-measurable number). Riff wrote: > oh, and what high tech gadget do you drive Jemmie WANG? > > Jemmie Wang wrote: > > > > From what I know, Saab was a low-quality car before it was GM-controlled. > > > > ZITECH wrote: > > > > > SAAB is not Swedish - it is a Opel Vectra under the skin - and it is a GM > > > car (=LOW quality). > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Jemmie Wang <> > > > > Jemmie Wang > > <> > > Additional Information: > > Last Name Wang > > First Name Jemmie > > Version 2.1 --------------99C11AD2C5CAE0A2A9199EC4 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="jemmie.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jemmie Wang Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="jemmie.vcf" begin:vcard n:Wang;Jemmie x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email; fn:Jemmie Wang end:vcard --------------99C11AD2C5CAE0A2A9199EC4--

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