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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:42:32 GMT
From: rdollienopsameja.com
Subject: Re: Saab 9-5 or Volvo S80 ?


Agreed for the most part but I seem to recall the article calling the Aero a Swedish version of the BMW 540 not the M5 whereas the S80 T6 was compared as the Swedish version of the Mercedes E430. -rdo russell.ollienopsamnet In article <388f5079.21957967nopsam.netway.com>, jtmav wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:27:51 GMT, rdollienopsameja.com wrote: > > You fail to mention that the Volvo can't be had with a manual, while > the Saab comes standard with a five speed. I don't think the Volvo is > anywhere near as good a handling and performance car as the Aero, > that's not to say the T6 isn't a nice car, it's just more of a luxury > car than performance, especially without the availabilty of a stick. > Personally, I have driven the S80 and I prefer the Saab interior over > the Volvo, but that's just taste and opinion nothing factual. As far > as the M5 well for that kind of money it should do what it does and > then some. The article called the Aero a Swedish version of the M5 but > that's just silly. The M5 is an extraordinary car, which you pay > mightily for. > > >jtmav, while it is true that Volvo has adapted many of the same > >approaches used by Saab, they are not Saab innovations. > > > >Regarding the Road & Track review, it is the same one I reference in my > >original post. The reviewers found the Aero to be more sporty and that > >should be expected given the suspension setup of the Aero and the sub- > >par tire option they tested on the T6. As I said earlier, if they used > >the same tire option on the T6 that they used when they did their first > >review, the T6 would have still remained faster and it would have shown > >the exact same stickiness in the corners (both scored .83g on the > >skidpad). Instead they tested the T6 with the standard tires for the > >Aero comparison which is inconsistent since the Aero is the performance > >version of the 9-5 and the T6 should have at least had the performance > >tire option (not to mention the more appropriate comparison would have > >been a performance S80- the S80 R which isn't out yet). > > > >Nonetheless, with the options they chose for the T6 they found the Aero > >to be more sporty. They also found the T6 to have a better quality > >interior (fit and finish and materials) although they said the 9-5 > >wasn't shabby either. For what it's worth I think the Aero is more > >sporty but neither is a true sports sedan (few sedans are). One could > >argue that the power to weight ratio should be better and that the > >answer would be a lot more horses ala BMW M5 but I would prefer a few > >more horses and significantly less weight for either car to be > >considered a true sports sedan. > > > >Thanks. > > > >-rdo > >russell.ollienopsamnet > > > >In article <388f2fc4.13584278nopsam.netway.com>, > > jtmav wrote: > >> On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:19:32 GMT, rdollienopsameja.com wrote: > >> > >> Check out this month's Road and Track. There is a comparison of the > >> 9-5 Aero and the Volvo S-80 T6. Both the reviewers picked the Saab. In > >> a nutshell the Saab was a true sports sedan made luxurious and the > >> Volvo was a luxury car trying to be sporty. I own both a Saab 9000 CSE > >> Turbo and a Volvo V70. The Saab is a superior car both in design and > >> overall fit and finish. Volvo has co-opted many of Saab's innovations: > >> front wheel drive, turbo charging, heated seats, etc. etc. I like my > >> wife's V70 but I LOVE my 9k. I will be taking delivery of a new 9-5 > >> Aero someime next month. I can't wait. > >> > >> Remove the NSP for email > >> >Hello, what color is the sky in your world? While we can all espouse > >> >opinions and preferences lets be careful about the facts please. For > >> >example, the cupholder in the 9-5. Sure it's nifty but it also > >blocks > >> >some of the ventilation as I recall. By contrast the Volvo S80 has 8 > >> >cupholders - some functional some not. > >> > > >> > > >> >Powerful smooth turbo engines - sure after you get past the turbo > >lag. > >> >Volvo also uses turbos but the turbo lag is much less noticable. In > >> >the case of the S80 it is probably because they used two small twin > >> >turbo chargers. > >> > > >> >Ergonomics - both Saab and Volvo excel here. I personally don't care > >> >for the boat plane interior design but it is very functional in the > >> >Saab. It is also very functional in the Volvo. The S80 has the only > >> >safely designed navigation system where the eyes remain on the > >horizon > >> >and the hands on the wheel to operate the system; it has a dash face > >> >angled to mimic the angle used when reading a book; it has a powerful > >> >and simple environmental control system due to the large pictogram; > >> >etc. etc. > >> > > >> > > >> >Safety - you're really playing with fire here. Saab, Volvo, and > >> >Mercedes are all well established safety leaders. The Volvo S80 has > >> >the best neck and spine protection ratings ever recorded in rear- > >impact > >> >crash tests due to the WHIPs anti-whiplash seats (found on all new > >> >Volvos). The S80 is also the only car to ever score 5-stars for BOTH > >> >front and rear seat passengers in side-impact crash test done by the > >> >NHTSA. How can you possibly say the Volvo can't dream of matching > >> >Saab's safety? In Europe, the S40 is the only car in its class to > >> >score 4-stars in FIA NCAP crash tests. > >> > > >> > > >> >Edgy old-fashioned monster under the skin? Well I know there are > >more > >> >engine options in other parts of the world but here in the U.S. all > >> >Volvos are powered by the same family of modular inline engines Volvo > >> >developed with Porsche. Back in 1994, Car and Driver said the Volvo > >> >850 Turbo was the fastest mass-produced sedan in the world. Since > >that > >> >period Volvo has added more horses and torque to their engines. > >Their > >> >high-pressure turbo cars are all (S70 T5, S80 T6) faster than Saabs. > >> >If you are passing Volvos it's because their owners either want to > >let > >> >you or because they have one of the diminuitive engine options. I can > >> >assure you that in the U.S. when a Volvo and a Saab meet, if both > >> >drivers are determined to hurry it along it will be the Volvo in the > >> >front. > >> > > >> >Saab has done some nice work with the Viggen and 9-5 Aero. However, > >if > >> >you read the summary data from Road & Track you will realize that the > >> >S80 T6 they tested against the 9-5 Aero didn't have the performance > >> >tire option that was used when R&T did their full review of the T6 > >> >earlier. In the earlier review, the T6 matched the BMW 540 in the > >> >corners (grip) in large part due to the aggressive tires. In the 9-5 > >> >Aero comparison the 9-5 did better in part because of tires and in > >part > >> >because of suspension setup (the Aero is a limited production > >> >performance tuned car unlike the T6.) The more appropriate comparison > >> >for an Aero would be a S80 R which would feature the same tricked- out > >> >suspension approach or at a minimum a T6 with performance tires > >(which > >> >ties the Aero for grip according to the numbers in R&T). > >> > > >> >Jeroen, I respect your opinion and preference for the Saab but I did > >> >want to give a more fact based comparison which I hope I have done. > >> > > >> >Thanks. > >> > > >> >-rdo > >> >russell.ollienopsamnet > >> > > >> >In article <86kl0j$n3p$1nopsamel.civ.utwente.nl>, > >> > "Jeroen Lugtenberg" <j.lugtenbergnopsament.utwente.nl> wrote: > >> >> Saab is always the better choice certainly when it is compared to > >> >aVolvo. > >> >> Why, because a Volvo is a car for the great public. Not for a > >> >connoisseur > >> >> like the Saab driver. When you look at the details of a Saab you > >know > >> >what I > >> >> mean. For example the great design of the cup-holder in the dash of > >> >the 9-5 > >> >> and it's powerfull smooth turbo-engines. Or the ergonomic > >> >> door-handles of the Saab. And of cours it's huge safety, safety of > >> >which a > >> >> Volvo only can dream. When I drive a Saab and I pass a Volvo, I > >> >always smile > >> >> and pity the poor man who has made just another wrong choice in his > >> >life. I > >> >> hope that this is of some help to you! My message; Keep away from > >> >Volvo's > >> >> because underneath their new rounded skin there's still that edgy > >> >> old-fashioned monster of the old days!!!! > >> >> > >> >> Jeroen > >> >> <engine1665nopsamnet> wrote in message > >> >news:388db10anopsamws.webzone.net... > >> >> > > >> >> > I've driven the 9-5 turbo 2.3 auto trans, has lots of turbo lag, > >> >otherwise > >> >> great > >> >> > car with unknown reliability and resale. > >> >> > Don > >> >> > hanley <fsnmnopsam.com> wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > >Stephen Dewart wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> What do you think? Saab 9-5 or Volvo S80? > >> >> > > > >> >> > >The last road and track compared the 9-5 areo with the > >> >> > >s-80 T6. They liked the 9-5 areo better. They said this > >> >> > >9-5 was like a swedish bmw ( drivers car ) while the > >> >> > >s-80 was more like a mercedes ( cushy ). > >> >> > > > >> >> > >dave > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >> >Before you buy. > >> > >> JTMav > >> Remove the NSP for email > >> > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy. > > JTMav > Remove the NSP for email > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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