Date: 13 Sep 2002 00:10:08 GMT From: davehinznopsamcop.net Subject: Re: Saab 9-3 Modding & Customization Website
Someone who looks an awful lot like cn <nonenopsam.com> wrote: > Dave: > 1. That wasnt a private email. The way you presented it it seemed you were saying it was email. > Im not sure how long you've been surfing > around the net, About 12 years, but who is counting... > but very often, companies, people, entities make public > their official correspondence with other entities. I can think of many > examples where websites have posted cease and desist orders from > microsoft, or letters between them and their internet provider about the > status of their broadband connection. People do it all the time. So, was it email, or not? > Not to > mention, the 2 parties involved were saab.pintmaster.com and the saab > network. As an entity, saab.pintmaster.com chose to make public > correspondence that was never expressly deemed private. email is owned by the sender, and unless expressly given permission to post it, you are violating that ownership. > 2. The Saab Network does "suck" as you say. I do _not_ say that, I was paraphrasing your statements. > The point I want to make is > that they have a great user base, but as a website are not providing > those users with the infrastructure deserved. So, maybe you could ask for your money back. Deserved my ass - it's a free service, use it or not as you like. But, going in there and saying "You people are doing it all wrong", and then acting surprised that they don't consider you to be their best friend, is an odd way to see reality. > They may have been their > first, but that doesnt mean they are better. I prefer a usenet group to their interface, but I don't go in and tell them they suck. > 3. Im not sure how much you have been following this thread, but I will > summarize what happened. 1. I posted an original message on saabnet > asking if there was a place dedicated to modding saab 9-3s. (no > response). 2. I figured, well then I should start one. 3. I hastily > threw together a message board and then posted a message on saabnet > telling people about it. 3. Said message was removed and I was sent an > email or something saying what I had done wrong. What part of "one strike and you're out" did you not understand? Your failure to heed the *numerous* "don't spam here" messages is nobody's fault but your own. > 4. I corrected my error > by making a direct link back to saabnet on the front page of my website. > 5. I tried to make another post with that error fixed. 6. The website > address would not post to the website, that website had been banned. 7. > A week or 2 later, I posted a message saying that if people were > interested email me (I wasnt posting a direct link, people had to take > the initiative themselves). I got about 4 emails an hour until the > message was taken down and I was banned. 8. Wrote first email 9. Got > response, but response was very harsh. 10. Didnt feel as though scott > had been fair to me. 11. Responded. 12 No response back 13. Posted > messages to this message board. Yeah, we know, you've said all that before. You want to make a discussion site, great, go for it, but pissing off people who you hope to attract to it is an odd way to build participation. > The first time I broke their rules I didnt realize I had. The second > time, I didnt realize that posting my email address was against the > rules either. I am not sure how I can make this any clearer. I DID NOT > DELIBERATELY BREAK ANY OF THEIR RULES. Ignorance is no excuse. Don't like their game, don't play in their park. > I understand your point of view, and I think what you said is valid. My > underlying goal is not to be the boss of a big website or anything like > that. As a saab owner, I want to have a place that I can go to get well > organized information about subjects I am interested in. I am sure many > other people feel the same way. Great, so go do something useful, and if people like it, they'll use it. > I am deeply sorry if I offended you by posting the correspondence > between saabnet and saab.pintmaster.com. Any time anyone posts private email, it is by nature deeply offensive. The author of the work gets to determine how it's distributed, not the recipient. Dave Hinz
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