Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:55:16 GMT
From: Paul Halliday <>
Subject: Re: Site going down.

in article 3d88c96c$0$8514$, News Groups at wrote on 18/09/2002 19:43: > Mr Hinz, > My point, as you have so eloquently demonstrated, is that you need to calm > down - don't attack everyone who has the audacity to disagree with your > point of view. There is a subtle difference between healthy debate and > wilful intimidation. > > For the record: > This is a genuine e-mail address (if you remove the "rem0ve" part - it is > only in there to reduce spam). > My name is Neil and I drive a 9-3 Aero. > > And that's all I will say on this subject. Dave Hinz, from what little I have come to know of him, is a man of substantial computer knowledge. It is for this reason that I think he is somewhat of a stickler for the "rules" of the internet. The internet was founded upon an understanding of sharing knowledge. It has grown to be an international (internetional) community of people who are not eloquent with computing or its history. Usenet and other public forums, such as mailing lists, web forums, etc, have rules; we must have rules in order to have decent conduct. If a (extremely, put) pornographer started posting to, we would not be happy. Inappropriate postings, or even a misunderstanding or a wilful mis-post is annoying. You will find that many web services, such as Usenet, web forums, etc are monitored and the integrity thereof maintained by people who, without pay, do have an understanding of computer technologies and their etiquettes. This is not sad; this is just fact. Could you maintain a newsgroup? When Dave has a "cow" about something he's not being a wnopsam, he's trying to maintain some integrity between content and the "rules", or acceptable behaviour. Likewise, other "head-honchos" of similar services are doing the same. Some might be dictatorial and may not be polite when banning users. They should probably read the FAQ first :) I have asked before and have not had an answer: Does this newsgroup have a FAQ? Is there some document that we can all read in order to understand what we should or should not be doing. I presumed, when I started posting to this newsgroup, that postings should be of relevance to Saabs. Also, one should not post pictures, etc to a non-binary newsgroup. Are there other rules? I like debate. A difference of opinion is the foundation of any civilised (NOTE: I say civilised, not Western, or Democratic) society. Being intimidated is not funny, but I have not seen an example of intimidation from the likes of Dave Hinz - he puts a plain point, plainly. It might seem blunt, but take it as it comes. This is a Saab content newsgroup. It is also a newsgroup and therefore has a legacy. That legacy is, at times, blunt and to the point - I don't think it is rude, or intimidating. Especially, once a FAQ is available and we all know where we stand. BTW, if a FAQ is not available, I would be happy to assist. Regards to all involved in this debate, Paul ... Getting a bit philosophical after serious lashings of Vodka & Absinth and a pleasingly successful shell scripting session with his *nix. Mmmmmmm :) 1985 900i 16V 1989 900 Turbo S (still waiting for the bad news from the engineers)

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