Date: 8 Sep 2003 00:04:29 GMT From: Dave Hinz <davehinznopsamcop.net> Subject: Re: Saab Complaint
On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 23:42:03 GMT, milt brewster <milt73nopsamc.net> wrote: > In article <bjffe2$ijn6q$1nopsam34476.news.uni-berlin.de>, > davehinznopsamcop.net says... >> >> Maybe, but disruptive sorts seem to enjoy doing so, and oddly enough, >> the selection of the groups is always consistant. Your language, choice >> of crossposted (offtopic) groups, and tone are consistant with the >> pattern. It's also odd, then, that you've re-added the other groups >> to the followups, even though someone else had taken them out. > > A troll posts and runs. I am not running. Followups fixed *again*. I don't see the word "troll" in my post, I see "flame war". > I am glad to clear up your mistaken impressions. My impressions are, if anything, being reinforced. > I believe that I am in fact being trolled in this thread by > several of you regulars. That's OK: I know how to use trolls in > general to make my point in a newsgroup. It's your choice: > You can either look good by addressing the problem; or you can > look childish by trolling a "newbie" to your newsgroup. People > finding these posts on groups.google.com will be able to tell the > difference years and years from now. Yes, they will. I'm not sure that that'll turn out the way you think, but go ahead and think whatever you want. > I selected the newsgroups I wanted to post to. It was and is my > selection to make. It is rude for you or anyone else to remove > them. Bullshit. Bull fucking shit. It is *MY* choice what groups to post to. If I choose not to post a reply to your drivel across a dozen and a half unrelated groups, that is *MY* choice. > I posted to toyota and honda auto groups for two reasons: > > 1) Toyotas and Hondas are Saab's major compeditors in the US. No they're not. Entirely differnet demographics. > Posters to those groups might very well have constructive new > perspectives to add, regarding the problems I am having with my > Saab. Yeah, you got two blowouts. Just like you would have with a toyota or a honda. Bad luck, get over it. >> Two tires on your car blew out. Do you understand that two tires does >> not a statistical trend make? Hello? this is kind of a central point, and you ignore it. You are expanding *your* experience and assuming we all share it. We do not. >> Not arguing that, although I wonder what a non-catastrophic blowout >> would be. > > This is quibbling, but I'll answer your one-liner anyway. > > "catastrophic" happens to be a term often used in Court -- it > describes a quick (sometimes explosive) tire failure that > destroys the tire and also puts the car and its occupants at > risk. It can also imply that the failed tire was defective in > some way. So you *have* done some homework, it seems. Have you checked into the links that Laura provided for you? >> Perhaps, I wasn't there. If you came in frothing at the mouth as you did >> here, I can see why they didn't wnat to bend over backwards to help you. > > 1) I handled myself quite well at the dealer. In sharp contrast to your behavior here... > Saab engineers should have anticipated this behavior upon tire > failure, and designed their wheelrims to at least minimize it. You a lawyer or something? (not intended as a compliment, by the way). >> No. You have provided no evidence of this, and you continue to evade >> the question about wheel alignment. Third request, have you had that >> checked? > > The rear tire blew. I was assured that on a Saab, the alignment > would not be affected. > But yes, I've had my alignment checked anyway: Two months ago, > and again yesterday. Absolutely no change. It's just fine. By whom? > I am certainly claiming that these Michelins are faulty, based on > my experience with them. Based on what? A statistical anomaly? > Two blowouts in six months on nearly new OEM tires is a very good > reason for an owner to register a complaint with his car > manufacturer. Fine, and you apparently did that and they found your claims to be baseless. Next? > A good company would replace those tires for free if they have > some service records of other owners making the same complaints: > This is Freshman QA Engineering. It's also Freshmen Marketing > Management. Only if they value you as a customer. When my tranny went, many thousand miles out of warranty, Saab paid for it anyway. If they didn't want to take care of your tires, maybe, just maybe, it isn't their problem. > [snip] Is that the part where I ask you inconvenient things about your accusing Saab of "criminal" behavior?
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