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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 05:52:31 GMT
From: milt brewster <milt73nopsamc.net>
Subject: Re: C'mon, I can't stand any more [WAS: Re: Saab Complaint]


In article <BB87E6B3.9BE1%pjghnopsamyonder.co.uk>, pjghnopsamyonder.co.uk says... > in article bjt6kn$n96vo$1nopsam34476.news.uni-berlin.de, Dave Hinz at > davehinznopsamcop.net wrote on 12/09/2003 20:26: > > <snip> > > >> What is so special about Saab wheelrims that you consider it criminal > >> to put them on cars? > > > > I think this is where he repeats his "Look, I had two blowouts in > > 5000 miles" thing, right? > > What? I this still going on? > > This thread has generated so much traffic about so little content. We've all > replied and said our piece. We've all replied and said very little. Many of > us have replied to a peace-making thread about which tyres we prefer to run. > > In fact, so many of us are just dying to say, "So what, Milt? Get some new > tyres.". Many more of us are dying to say, "So what? Saab don't build 'em > like they used to and we who drive the old ones don't really care.". > > There - it's out. Can we drop it now? Yes we can. The thread continued longer than it should have, because a few frequent posters in alt.autos.saab decided that they could defend Saab better if they insulted me personally, than if they actually addressed the problem I described. They expected that a few well-chosen names would indeed drive me off, and that they could then just forget about me as a troll. If I had left at that point, it would have looked like I wasn't serious about the problem I reported. ... so I stayed in order to establish that I was serious. They raised some foolish basic assumptions that were easy for me to answer. All this let me re-establish that I really WAS serious and knew something about what I was talking about. In the process of their extending this thread, Saab and Michelin got a lot more bad Usenet press than they would have otherwise. You can thank the frequent posters here: I would have gone away a week ago otherwise. **** ... so what are they all doing now? They are busy assuring each other that they are bored, and bailing out as fast as they can, hurling a few last-chance four letter-word names in my direction as they go. This is a very common tactic for 'true believers' in a newsgroup who have failed to handle a criticism in a thoughtful and positive way. Usenet newsgroups work like this sometimes. Frequent posters in a newsgroup form informal cliques. They don't like "downer" posts from people they dont' know. They think all they have to do to take care of a problem, is to personally disparage the newbie who raised it. They think they have the right to pile on. All this might work sometimes and with some people; but it doesn't work with me. I stick around for a while. In a perverse, left-handed way, maybe I *have* in fact trolled them after all. **** Two blowouts on new OEM tires in 5000 miles of light use. Saab needs to tighten up its act. Michelin needs to design and manufacture better tires. > Fellow Saabers, we're here because we have a common interest in our Saab > motors. Let us not forget that. Motors ... Not tyres. Remember, new Saabs > are just old Saabs that have not had enough time on the track yet - if their > tyres blow, well big deal :) > > Milt, in all seriousness, I really do hope you get some satisfaction from > your crusade. <--- I've deleted that word so many times and tried to think > of another. You replied to one of my messages about what exactly makes a > Honda or Toyota so much more attractive than a Saab and I just thought, > you're just describing a Saab. I don't want to argue about that though. I think you are right on all counts. I love my Saab, too -- but after my recent experience, my confidence is a bit shaken. > > Here in the UK, we have a Toyota Celica. It's a sporty Toyota and probably > very similar to the Saab 9-3 (coupe, maybe) in terms of driving style. Check > it out. We also have the old Civics, which are a blast to drive. I still > can't see how the new Corollas or Civics are in any way a comparative car to > the Saab 9-3, but ... > > G'night all, > > Paul > ^---Still not smoking, still not loving speed cameras, still loving the > Saab. > mb

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