Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:50:23 GMT
From: "David Spear" <>
Subject: Re: Starting problem '90 9000T - TWO bad starters!?

I had similar problems, but my mechanic came up with a cheap fix. No, it wasn't the starter, and anyways the old starter should have been pulled and checked on the bench before a new one was purchased/installed. The way it was explained to me was thus: 12VDC goes from battery to ignition switch to safety switch to starter solenoid. The solenoid as it wears and contacts get worn may require more voltage to close than when it was new, and there is quite a long run and several connections between battery and solenoid. So to shorten the path he installed a small Bosch relay (can post p/n later) on the firewall just aft of the battery which when closed takes the hot lead from the battery directly to the starter solenoid. The original wire from the ignition switch has only to carry enough voltage to operate this tiny relay. It has eliminated problem for me. DAve "Atif I. Chaudhry" <foonopsamcom> wrote in message > I have a '90 9000T. > > Monday got the oil changed and got new button covers for my ACC. > > Monday night and Tuesday afternoon, but not Tuesday morning or evening, > turn the key and the starting engine sounds wrong, so turn off key and > try again, engine starts right up. > > Wed afternoon, turn the key, NOTHING. Get a jump from AAA, nothing, get > towed to mechanic. > > Mechanic claims it is either > > 1) Wire to starter is loose > 2) Ignition switch is bad > 3) Starter is bad > 4) Some combination of the above. > > They claim they checked wiring including the live wire from the ignition > and it has power when they turn the key, so they put in a rebuilt Bosch > starter. > > I come to pick up the car, turn the key, NOTHING. They try it a few > times and eventually get the car started. They then claim that the > ignition switch is ALSO bad. Told to come back in an hour. Come back > and am told that they put in a new ignition switch and had the same > problem, that it takes several tries to start the car. THUS the > original ignition switch was probably o.k., that my starter was > completely bad, and that the rebuilt one has bad spots. They claimed > that another rebuilt bosch starter they got a few months ago was also > bad. > > CURRENTLY: I have the rebuilt starter in the car and can get the car to > start after several attempts. They are going to find a new rebuilt > starter supplier. > > Have any you had a similiar type of problem? How does this all sound to > y'all? > > At this point I am seriously considering disposing of the Saab and > getting a Subaru. The AWD will be nice for upstate New York winters and > my first car, a Subaru Justy, was great and Subaru's have a reputation > for dependability. I don't want to spark a Saab vs. Subaru flame fest, > but constructive comments would be welcome....

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