Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:37:20 GMT From: dxyzcnospamam.com Subject: Re: SAABillac
On 2/18/2005 10:09 PM, Pooh Bear wrote: > Al wrote: > > >>"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote in message >>news:421514C1.DCF7514Enospamail.com... >> >>>Al wrote: >>> >>> >>>>"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:420DB204.9C352864nospamail.com... >>>> >>>>>Zebedee wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"Bo" <nonospamom> wrote in >>>>>>news:1108161054.317459dbd115d034e9756a566f9c3419nospamnews: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>"WhyAsk" <vwincentnospamet> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:gWSNd.1297$h06.257262nospamer.newsread.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In full production, the new Cadillac could sell 10,000 >>>>>>>>units a year, GM sources say. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>There have to be at least that many idiots in Europe. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>True just look at how many BMWs(aka Idiot Wrappers) they sell. >>>>> >>>>>Oh come on - BMWs actually are quite nice cars to drive - they don't >>>>>baulk at corners and look the part too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Graham >>>>> >>>> >>>>NO NO NO Don't lets do the BMW thread AGAIN! >>> >>>Oh OK ! I prefer FWD anyway. >>> >>> >>> >>>>As for Cadillacs, I don't think they'll sell more than a few thousand >>>>Europe >>>>wide. >>> >>>If that. In Europe, Cadillac is synonymous with US grossness for lack of a >>>better description. Lousy styling too. >>> >>> >>>> European cars are streets ahead of American.....most of them are >>>>Japanese creations! >>> >>>Errrr.... They are ? I know many Japanese manufacturers have factories >>>here but >>>European cars are well.... European. And Saabs should be Swedish. Who else >>>but >>>Renault could have come up with the Megane with its funny rear end for >>>example >>>or Fiat's Multipla - to take a couple of eccentric styling examples. >> >>Shakin its ass? yuk, > > > I felt that way first too. > > It's grown on me though. Full marks to Renault for some innovative and > distinctive styling I reckon ! > > Saabs look better though. :-) > > > >>and as for the Fiat Frog, my mate owns one. You know >>how back in the early seventies 96 owners would flash their headlights at >>each other when they passed each other, as in "oh you own one of these ugly >>ducklings too" Well Multipla owners are doing it today. Somehow I don't >>think Fix It Again Tony cars will ever quite match our beloved marque. > > > Yeah but you're certainly never ever going to get missed in one ! > > "I'll be the one in the really ugly car waiting for you" - lol. > > > >>I take your point with the Japanese quip, but lets be honest Rover wouldn't >>exist without Honda. > > > True - but there's a lot of history behind that. If Rover hadn't been forced > shotgun style into the BL marriage I wouldn't be surprised if they were still a > premier marque. > > I once had a P6 - 2000 TC and it was a stunning car for its day. How many 1963 > designs got 125 bhp from 2 litres on a couple of SUs ( and tons of torque too ) > ? > > > >>>>BTW do you find those silly English flags flying from French and German >>>>built cars irritating? >>> >>>As I'm not English and loathe football louts - YES especially so ! >> >>It was a comment to all really, but we are obviously in agreement here. > > > Pleased to hear. I do so hate the Beckingham Palace shit etc. > > > >>>> I mean if they're so patriotic, why didn't they buy >>>>British in the 70's and save the British car industry? >>> >>>The answer is called British Leyland. >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'm guessing it's something to do with the Austin Allegro, or the Talbot >>>>Alpine! ;-) >>> >>>Yes to the first. Actually I gather that the Alpine was actually quite >>>good. But >>>then it was a French design basically. >>> >>>Graham >> >>The Alpine, quite good?! Crikey changing gear was like stirring porridge >>trying to find lumpy bits!! As for French design, oh dear, as long as you >>don't mind the Gaelic shrug when your Renault won't start I guess you can >>put up with it. Remember the 80's Renault ad "Renault build a better car" >>well here in the UK we're still waiting for them to do just that. > > > There was a Lotus version of the Alpine was there not ? I seem to recall it did > well in rallying. I also recall it being quite sought after. Wasn't it the > original 'hot hatch' ? I have no personal experience of driving one but I > suspect the hot versions were somewhat better. Then again many cars' gearboxes > were like stirring porridge in those day ! > > I guess the standard version wan't the same. Been there done that too. My g/f > bought an MG Metro and that was actually a fun car to drive ( loads of fun > sometimes ) . You'd barely recognise the similarity with a standard L model > though. > > I reckon current Renaults aren't bad. I got a ( prevous model ) Laguna as an > insurance loaner whilst my own vehicle was being fixed as a result of some idiot > boy racer chappie's idiotic antics. I was quite taken. Not quick enough though > for my liking - even with the 2 litre engine. Nice drive however. > > > Graham > > Have any of you driven a CTS-V? My brother has one and it is one super fast and well handling car. Some of the interior could be upgraded but it is a very impressive car. D
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