Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:36:31 +0100
From: johannes <johsnospam-nospamme95754-fitter.com>
Subject: Re: What killed this group?


DervMan wrote: > > "johannes" <johsnospam-nospamme95754-fitter.com> wrote in message > news:46DAD497.12DA0CAEnospam-nospamme95754-fitter.com... > > > > > > DervMan wrote: > >> > >> "Richard Sutherland-Smith" <richard.ssnospamr.net.nz> wrote in message > >> news:d1d7fc1b4f.Richardnospamard.ss.clear.net.nz... > >> >> "Al" <alistairdorenospamo.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:Z3%Bi.189412$lx3.6123nospamnews.blueyonder.co.uk... > >> >>> > >> >>> "DervMan" <thedervmannospaml.com> wrote in message > >> >>> news:46d853a4$0$13924$fa0fcedbnospam.zen.co.uk... > >> >>>> "E. Newnes" <enewns45nospamo.com> wrote in message > >> >>>> news:epafd3tbrdb1i5rh1d23ggjh65cskp0ikenospamcom... > >> >>>>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:21:14 +0100, "DervMan" > >> >>>>> <thedervmannospaml.com> > >> >>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>>On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab > >> >>>>>>*because* > >> >>>>>>of the GM influence. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> But they are not being introduced to real Saabs, only to the ghost > >> >>>>> of > >> >>>>> the "brand". Long time GM customers are used to a diet of multi > >> >>>>> hued > >> >>>>> shit and would only expect more of the same, so they will > >> >>>>> inadvertently aid and abet the loss of Saab DNA. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Says who? What makes a real Saab a real Saab? Why is a current > >> >>>> Saab a > >> >>>> lesser Saab than a 1980 Saab? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Drive any modern <insert brand> and it's very different from > >> >>>> something > >> >>>> in > >> >>>> the 1970s. Modern stuff with a Saab badge is a modern > >> >>>> interpretation > >> >>>> of > >> >>>> what you may consider to be a proper Saab. > >> >>>> > >> >>> Sorry, but that's just Tommy Rot. It's not an interpretation, it's a > >> >>> Vauxhall with a blue badge. (I like Vauxhalls BTW!) > >> > > >> >> Aie but who designed it? > >> > > >> >>> Real Saabs died with the 9000, the last Saab with any true Saab > >> >>> bloodline. > >> >>> > >> >>> That said, the 9-3 is an excellent motorcar, and the most reliable > >> >>> car > >> >>> (of > >> >>> any brand) we've ever owned was a NG 900s. > >> > > >> >> My heart wanted a classic Saab 900 Turbo with air conditioning. > >> > > >> >> My budget said 9-3. My head said Mondeo TDCi. > >> > > >> >> In the end I bought the diesel 9-3, knowing its faults* but also its > >> >> strengths. It has the understeery Saab-esque handling, it has those > >> >> seats > >> >> and that interior, but it also has a Japanese engine and GM running > >> >> gear. > >> > > >> > The old 9-3 had a GM diesel 2.2L, the new one has the Alfa derived > >> > 1.9L. They have a Jap auto gearbox? > >> > >> It's an Isuzu-designed unit. > > > > But bear in mind that FIAT originally pioneered the common rail diesel > > injection system, so the Alfa derived 1.9 turbo diesels engines aren't > > bad for a rep-mobile. Also found in Vauxhall/Opel cars. > > It's a fantastic engine - when it works. Unfortunately, it isn't the most > reliable donk around, by any stretch. In some applications it even makes > the VAG TDI technology seem quiet and smooth, too. :) Now the Saab 1.9 diesel gets turbox2 Return to Main Index

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