I passed a Mazda 3 yesterday in our 2004 9-5. The Mazda is newer. Bubbling rust everywhere on the back end, seeping out the tail lights + perforation. The 9-5 got it's first rust spray this year (we just bought it). It is 99.9% rust free with none visible if you don't look under the car at the suspension.

So there is a difference. Cars rust fast here + hyundai and kia are among the worst (right up there with mazda).

any car really needs oil spray if it sees salt... holy crap it makes a difference!

I don't like Hyundais or Kias... no interest in them though I will admit the 2.0T sounds saabish - they have been copying saabish elements throughout the last decade (the premise of these companies is copycat, but they are at least starting to develop their own design language, even if it is not to my taste, I give them credit for branching out)... wrt safety, they are improving: from bottom of the barrel hdli numbers to average... but saabs are generally cream of the crop for hdli scores, so there is a difference! iihs crash tests don't tell the full story. the saab real life safety program is valuable + a big reason I own 3 saabs! If I could never buy another saab, volvo would be high up on my list because they have the same mindset wrt safety (even if the cars produce fewer driving grins)...

the original post was kind of inflammatory + undesirable, but I can understand his sentiment a little, but I think it is misplaced... owners of the 2011 9-5 are lucky to have a fantastic, super safe, great performing + unique car... warranty may be gone, but hopefully there will be parts, and imho, don't fret about it... just enjoy it... we'll see what happens to the company... may come back stronger than ever with the right ownership... or be gone forever... sure hope that doesn't happen! I want the future hybrid 9-3 (once it has matured etc)!

James...

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• 2011 KIA Optima, 9-3Talladega, Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:54:20
  • The nail that sticks up, No Snaab, Sat, 31 Dec 2011 06:58:49
  • Tell ya what, Ace..., Noel, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:10:08
  • Re: 2011 KIA Optima, kkelley, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:44:41
  • 2012 KIA Optima?, RMinNJ, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:31:00
    • rust!, James, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:02:41 <-- Viewing This Message
    • Car reviews, nwas, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:07:29
  • He is pontificating, but, Mike Johnson, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:17:46
  • you just fukia self nm, Brian in MA, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 04:23:31
  • Be careful not getting hit by any vehicle in that!, AdamB , Fri, 30 Dec 2011 04:23:25
  • Re: 2011 KIA Optima, bic, Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:49:24
  • noKia and noHyundai, ryan , Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:26:54
    • Hyundai ?what a pile o crap.., pushrodsaab, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 04:08:32
      • Re: Hyundai ?what a pile o crap.., George K, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:26:08
        • GM, ryan , Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:52:37
          • Re: GM, George K, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:56:37
            • thanks for the personal attack pal, ryan , Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:48:07
              • Re: thanks for the personal attack pal, George K, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:42:44
      • I think things have changed a bit in the last 20 years, nwas, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:45:48
      • Don't throw stones re: rust, Steve T., Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:11:35
  • WTF?, turrbo , Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:54:14
  • Re: 2011 KIA Optima, EGD , Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:52
  • I think he is joking, Tim, Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:07:23
    • Re: I think he is joking, SQLSAAB, Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:46:50
  • Good luck n/m, AdamSAAB2kAero , Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:58:59
  • Good riddance (-), peter , Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:49:27
  • 2012 TOYOTA Camry, Tulsaab , Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:21:44
    • More of 2007, refresh with lightweight fluids = mpg.nm, Norm95, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:47:58
  • Re: 2011 KIA Optima, TML , Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:04:42
  • I have ZERO sympathy for ANYONE who, AeroEd, Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:54:34
    • HDLI numbers, steve, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 01:34:03
      • Re: HDLI numbers, AeroEd, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:34:54
        • Re: SAAB HDLI numbers, AeroEd, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:48:15
      • Re: HDLI numbers, Joseph(jgARC03SW), Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:09:59
        • Re: HDLI numbers, brick8, Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:41:22
          • Re: Prius, Noel, Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:15:59

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