Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 12:05:22 -0500
From: Jemmie Wang <>
Subject: Re: SAAB =low quality...HA!

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------981E5B5A67D576F75319E005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Orr wrote: > I agree that in the past it was difficult for a small manufacturer to match > Toyota for quality, I would say it's still true today. > but people have different perceptions of quality as well, > for some, quality is having NO warrany claims in the first year, for others its > durebility that allows them to keep the car for 20 years, with quite a bit of > minor work of course. Agreed. What I am saying, though, is that initial quality can be measured and is measured, while "durability that allows them to keep the car for 20 years" is very difficult to measure, is not measured, and has too many variables outside the manufacturer's control. We know which manufacturers have the best and worst initial quality. We do not *know* which manufacturers' cars can be driven for 20 years and which cannot. Even more importantly, we do not *know* which manufacturers' cars can be driven the longest *given the same level of maintainence and care*. In addition, I would say that since the mass majority of people do not drive the same car for 20 years, initial quality is more important to more people than the ability to drive a car for 20 years with frequent maintainence (and possibly nagging "minor" problems). I would broden "initial quality" to including the length of the warranty -- three to four years. > To American initial quality is the holy grail, and in the > past Saab has had problems, but so far, my 9-3 has been perfect (8000 km and 4 > months) so I'm quite pleased. Lucky you. > I think advancements in technology have also > allowed smaller manufacturers to match Toyota and Honda in quality. BTW .... > the highest quality plant in North America is..... The Ford plant in St. Thomas > Ontario...make Crovn Vic's...The Camary plany is number 5!!! > Where did you get these ratings from? I am not doubting -- I am just curious. I live in Southeast Michigan and know more people in the auto industry (Big 3) than I would like to :-), and the consensus is that Toyota is still the envy in terms of manufacturing quality. > > Mark > > In article <74j9if$icu$>, says... > > > >Look, there's two extra groups up there who couldn't really give a shit > >about Swedish junk. (BMW & Mercedes) > > > >Saab make better aircraft than Volvo, but Volvo makes better tanks. You > >either love the Volvo bricks or hate them. Same with the Saabs. It's what is > >called personal preference. Personally, I'd be quite happy driving either as > >long as it was reliable and a bit of fun. > > > >And anyway, There was a big hoo-ha a couple of years ago about a (mid '80s) > >VW Passat that had done 1 million miles (normal driving, not like the > >BMW/Mobil test) with only general servicing - NO engine or gearbox rebuilds > >etc. > > > >So the next person drives a different make of car than you - Get over it and > >get a life! > > > > --------------981E5B5A67D576F75319E005 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="jemmie.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jemmie Wang Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="jemmie.vcf" begin:vcard n:Wang;Jemmie x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email; fn:Jemmie Wang end:vcard --------------981E5B5A67D576F75319E005--

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