Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 05:26:24 GMT
From: (Alex Zepeda)
Subject: Re: Saab Scania logo

On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:35:57 GMT, wrote: >HEY!! I said it was personal we are all entitled to our opinions. Ehm, I must have missed that. I think it's more like we're all entitled to our own opinions, and most likely will never change them :^) >> What about that rash of 9000s that caught fire due to something Saab >> supposedly swept under the rug? >> >No car company has a perfect record, but look how they dealt with it >compared to the American auto manufacturers. From what I read in the newspaper, they tried to do nothing until some guy had his art collection burn down with his house because of his 9000. This was front page news a few years ago in the San Francisco Chronicle. Then again, there are quite a few people who would claim that Mazda is the worst for the way they built and dealt with the third gen rx7. >There is more to it than that, it just gets so political and I hate >going there. True enough. >Ford is number one for recalls, that is a fact. I'm curious where you came up with this figure. I've certianly never seen this, but then again I've never really looked hard at the number of recalls. Hell, even Honda recalled a bunch of cars recently. Again I'd attribute the high number of recalls to relatively new and sadly untested designs... but that's just me. >I'm sure if you researched it, it would actually be quite funny at some >of the recalls they have had. Having seen some of them, and owning a Ford, I'm not sure I find this terribly funny, stupid yes, uncommon no. >I'm not really arguing anything either, it is just my opinion and Saabs >were designed to collapse around the driver to protect him/her, years >before any of this other stuff. What about Volvo and Mercedes? Certianly not American companies (but they own a few ;)), but I think they developed crush zones ahead of Saab. Besides, IIRC it was the American auto industry that developed the first series of crash test dummys, no? >Don't get me going on airbags, and did you ever think why they aren't >standard? Cost is one factor, but there are many others. Sure, being a litigious country has its disadvantages. >Heh, when I had an operation on my foot, I couldn't drive my Saab. :( >I couldn't drive any standard, so I borrowed a friend's Taurus because >it was an automatic. Nothing about it impressed me in the least, and >the doors do not have the same weight behind them, and they are not air >tight like a Saab. Heh and when I was in my friend's 9000 Turbo, I was insanely jealous. It was an awesome car, even with five people crammed into it, but the Taurus remains quite solid after ten years. Perhaps not as solid as a Saab, but there are very few squeaks and rattles. Don't get me wrong, it's not up there on my list of cars I'd like, but hey, a free car, is better than no car (at least to me as a teenager). >HA!!! I have the same exact gripe. I love my seats for the comfort and >the heaters, but in the summer I burn my legs on them all the time and >there isn't a seat cover that looks nice, so I use a towel. Instant underside of the legs tan ;) >It's too soon to tell, you can't go by how a car looks. >They do look nice. I have a hard time believing that they could really get much worse style or quality wise. The late 80s Jags were so disgusting (IMO) that it would take effort to make a worse car. Altho I'm not too impressed with the new XJ8 (the XJR OTOH nearly keeps me up at nights ;)). >Whatever, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Just stating my >views and it is perfectly fine if you don't agree with them. :) Hence the post, I mean where better to stand on a soapbox than Usenet? >> Nearly any engine can be made to last quite a while if it's given >> proper care. > >Well Alex, truthfully I see alot more Saab's running around with over >200K on the motors than I do any Ford or GM. Sure, there are some, but >there just is no comparison. I live in an area (hell most of the SF Bay Area is like this) where everything is an indicator of status. Cars are leased, houses are rented, etc. The majority of the cars around here are quite new (and thus rather low mileage), and the older ones are mainly imports (MBZ, BMW, Saab mainly). I think that the fact there are very few American cars with that kind of mileage says two things: * The 70s and 80s were awful for American car manufactures * Unless the car is exceptional, most people around here have no desire to keep such an old car - alex

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