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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:35:57 GMT
From: nutmeggernopsameja.com
Subject: Re: Saab Scania logo


HEY!! I said it was personal we are all entitled to our opinions. In article <37c2feb4.476039nopsam.pacbell.net>, jazepedanopsamell.net (Alex Zepeda) wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:00:47 GMT, nutmeggernopsameja.com wrote: > > >> If Saab (or Volvo, or Jaguar) can make use of > >> the resources made available by a big car company while simultaneously > >> maintaining their bloodlines, then it's a good thing. (Yes, it's a big > >> "if".) > > > >I don't know, I just don't like it, something gets lost. > > Like what? Lucas Electric? :^) HA!! Like quality! > > What about that rash of 9000s that caught fire due to something Saab > supposedly swept under the rug? > No car company has a perfect record, but look how they dealt with it compared to the American auto manufacturers. > All car companies make recalls. I think this is somewhat to be > expected, especialy when they use newer less tested designs. GM may > have fewer recalls, but that's because their designs (such as that > "wonderful" 3800 V6) are upwards of 20 years old. There is more to it than that, it just gets so political and I hate going there. Ford is number one for recalls, that is a fact. I'm sure if you researched it, it would actually be quite funny at some of the recalls they have had. > > But some of these old designs do suck. Look at the old (K series is > it?) GM trucks with the saddle bag gas tanks, or the Corvair *grin*, > or what about those old GM land yacht wagons from the mid 70s (I want > to say Malibu, but the specific case was a Pontiac model..)? The > exact model names and years escape me, but these have all made > headlines, even recently. Or what about the Audi 4000/5000 automatic > tranny fiasco as trumpeted up by the lovely Consumer Reports. Oh yeah, and Ford Mustangs, Pintos and GM's problems with their brakes in the SUV's.....blah, blah, blah......... We could be at this all day, and I don't want to get into it all. Nothing will ever convince me otherwise after all the vehicles I have driven. > > >American car companies are obsessed with making a profit at any cost, > >and Saab doesn't seem to do that to me. They research their product > >well, they put driver safety first and the quality of the car speaks for > >itself. > > If you want to argue saftey, I think that complaining about just a > specific automaker or group of automakers isn't really accurate. The > American public is just as much to blame for their lack of interest in > safe cars (until recently). HUH? Where did you get that? I'm not really arguing anything either, it is just my opinion and Saabs were designed to collapse around the driver to protect him/her, years before any of this other stuff. > > It's (AFAIK) illegal to make a car for the American market that will > not start because the seat belts are not being worn. Why? Because > it's too much of a hassle for some people. I'm not talking sealbelts, I'm talking grade of the metal, quality of the bumpers, the plastic they use etc.... > > Americans as a whole are just not concerned with auto saftey, and I > think this applies to many other countries too. If there was such a > concern about saftey, side air bags and other such devices would be > standard equipment on all new models now. Don't get me going on airbags, and did you ever think why they aren't standard? Cost is one factor, but there are many others. > > >All you have to do is shut a door on an American vehicle and > >listen to the tinny sound it makes. > > The only thing that manages to rattle and make funny noises on the > Taurus that I drive ('89) is the exhaust system. Time for a new cat? > Sure. Time for a new car? When I find the money. Do I want a Saab? > Yes. Has the Taurus fallen apart? No, not at all. Aside from some > basic wear and tear maintence that hasn't been done (shocks, break > pads, etc), it drives very well, and is indestructable in the parking > lot (the way I park this is a *good* thing). Heh, when I had an operation on my foot, I couldn't drive my Saab. :( I couldn't drive any standard, so I borrowed a friend's Taurus because it was an automatic. Nothing about it impressed me in the least, and the doors do not have the same weight behind them, and they are not air tight like a Saab. > > > I mean even the grade of plastic they use for the dash and bumpers are > >inferior to cut costs. I haven't seen a Saab around me with a cracked > >dash from the sun like I have American cars. The quality of the glass, the > >leather for the seats are superior. > > Leather seats are evil ;) They may look nice, but in hot weather it > doesn't matter who makes them, they hurt. HA!!! I have the same exact gripe. I love my seats for the comfort and the heaters, but in the summer I burn my legs on them all the time and there isn't a seat cover that looks nice, so I use a towel. > > Regardless, look at Jaguar. Sure they've been homogonized quite a > bit. They share parts now with Aston Marton and Lincoln. But look at > the S-Type. I don't care that it shares an engine (or parts of it) > with the Lincoln LS, it *looks* damn nice. Or the XJR. I think Ford > has done an excellent job so far with Jag, and I for one am pleased to > see more Jags around here (sure it makes me jealous, but still). It's too soon to tell, you can't go by how a car looks. They do look nice. > > You'd have a hard time convincing me that the mid 80s XJ looked nicer > than the new ones. That singular wiper blade was just gross, and > AFAIK not Ford's doing at all. Whatever, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Just stating my views and it is perfectly fine if you don't agree with them. :) > > >The motors are very good, take a beating and last forever if > >you take care of them. > > Nearly any engine can be made to last quite a while if it's given > proper care. Well Alex, truthfully I see alot more Saab's running around with over 200K on the motors than I do any Ford or GM. Sure, there are some, but there just is no comparison. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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