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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:37:22 +0100
From: "Jim" <jimnopsamil.thanks>
Subject: Re: LONG HOWTO: Fitting an Nokia 8210 wired hands free kit to 2002 Saab 9-3 Aero


This is great Simon, anyone know if the 9-5 is as "easy"? What is the difference between the THB and the Saab kit? "Simon Crabb" <lists-news1nopsamncrabb.com.S-P-I-M> wrote in message news:1018725437.29363.0.nnrp-07.3e31e096nopsam.demon.co.uk... > Fitting an Nokia 8210 wired hands free kit to 2002 Saab 9-3 Aero (UK) > > Simon Crabb (saabnopsamncrabb.com) April 2002 > > I recently took delivery of a 2002 Saab 9-3 Aero, and needed to wire in my > Nokia 8210. This model has 'TEL 1', so it is pre-wired for telephone, > with the sound coming through the audio system, and a microphone in the > roof near the rear view mirror. > > Here is a an account of how I got it all working. It's not totally > comprehensive, you'll have to have some 'gumption', but it will help you on > the way - I gathered all this info from various sources - so as thanks to > everyone I thought I'd post this. It would be useful for anyone fitting > any kit, probably. > > E&OE: I wrote it quickly, didn't check for spellings or grammar. > > Parts needed: > > 2002 Saab 9-3 Aero > Nokia 8210 > THB Comfort Kit for 8210 > http://www.thb.de/english/liefer/comfort/comfort.htm > I bought mine from eBay for a much reduced price of > £84.99 - search for 'THB' on http://www.eBay.co.uk > Saab Telephone Mounting Console - £30.56 from any Saab dealer > Saab Telephone Wiring Loom - £17.03 from any Saab dealer > 3.5mm Mono Jack Plug - Maplins under 50p > 2.5mm Mono Jack Plug - Maplins under 50p > > (Total cost, about £140? Took maybe 3-4 hours total, but should only have > been two - had some problems, see later! Saab dealer offered to fit > something similar for £325...) > > Preparation: > > Remove the passenger side kick panel, there's only two screws, the first > one can be found by opening the glove box, it's the nearest one to the > panel, and screws into it. The other one is at the bottom in the middle, > in the netting. A bit of careful wiggling and tugging this should come > out - > watch for the three lugs on the centre console, these slide out of the > panel. > > Inside, locate the square 18 pin 'VDA' plug and loom, this is probably > clipped to the side panel, unclip it to remove the panel entirely. Locate > the mobile antenna cable, probably tucked down nearby. > > Note the gap where there control box can fit, mine fitted vertically on a > metal brace, behind the AC controls, another place could be at the very > bottom, if you don't have the AS3 Audio upgrade - the amplifier is there. > > Screw the THB mounting bracket to the Saab Mounting Console - use the self > tapping screws, you'll have to make small pilot holes in the console first. > > Preparing the loom: > > (This bit basically makes up a THB cable which doesn't seem to be available > in > the UK, and would be £25 +vat to bring one in - to order: > http://www.thb.de/english/akces/avda/avda.htm ) > > The only wiring prep to be done using the Saab Telephone Wiring Loom, to > enable the whole thing to just plug in, and out, of course. This saves > cutting into the loom in the car, and means a different kit can be > fitted in future, either in my ownership of the car, or someone elses. This > has a mating VDA socket, 8 cables coming ouut of it, and some instructions. > > Firstly, cut the THB power cable to about 12 inches long. Then, connect: > > Function - THB - Saab Telephone Wiring Loom > > Audio Mute - Yellow - Yellow (I soldered and heatshrunk this) > 12v Power - Red - Red (Using the THB 2A fuse connectors) > Ground - Black - Black (Using the THB 2A fuse connectors) > 12v Switched Power - Blue - Red/Blue (Using the THB 2A fuse connectors) > > Now the two jack plugs, for speaker and microphone connectivity. Connect > these to the remaining 4 wires on the Saab Telephone Wiring Loom. > > (I soldered these, if you don't solder, you could just chop off the THB > ones and connect the wires some other way. But, beware, having the THB > microphone intact is very useful for testing later... You could also get > some short leaders with the plugs already on the end? But, soldering isn't > hard.) > > 3.5mm center - Speaker/line out signal - Saab Loom Grey/White > 3.5mm outer - Speaker/line out ground - Saab Loom Blue/White > 2.5mm center - Microphone signal - Saab Loom Brown/Grey > 2.5mm outer - Microphone ground - Saab Loom Green > > It should all now plug together. > > Time so far, 30 minutes. > > Testing: > > Plug it all in, and make a call (to a *very* patient wife/ girlfriend/ > friend/ parent... ). They may or may not be able to hear you, and you may > or may no be able to hear them. This leads me on to... > > Note that it behaves differently when the phone holder is 'hung' on the > bracket - there is a magnet in there. Basically: > > Phone holder hung up: Audio mutes, TELEPHONE appears on SID, audio comes > through car speakers, Saab Microphone in use. 'Car' appears on phone. > > Phone holder in hand: Audio mutes, TELEPHONE appears on SID, audio and > microphone through phone as normal. 'Headset' appears on phone (I > *think*). > > Problems I Encountered: > > As I read elsewhere, some people found that the Saab microphone doesn't > work well. It works just fine. But it didn't seem to for a long > while... > > You may have to swap a little cable over to make it work. This is pretty > simple. Open up the roof light near the rear view mirror, take out the two > screws, and then tug down on the whole console by the edges close the > windscreen. It should come down fine, then pop out the microphone (careful > those slats are fragile...). The cable plugs on the back of it. You will > see a brown bit of plastic with 1 2 3 on it, slide this off. Now you can > ease up the black plastic slightly to allow the cable to come out. I > discovered that: > > Yellow wire is GROUND not the black!!! > > Yellow should be in Pin 3, and Black either in pin 1 or 2. Mine is in 1, > and it works just fine, but elsewhere I've seen that for Nokia's it should > be in Pin 2 - but maybe that is for Nokia kits - not THB kits? Who knows, > if it doesn't work, swap the black cable between 1 and 2. > > So it didn't seem to work, so I tried the THB microphone which seemed to > work, so I tried swapping cables, and it working on and off. I finally got > a setting that worked - the original one, yellow on 3 and black on 1. > > Time so far 2.5 hours. > > So I... > > Fitting it back together: > > Tie-wrap the black box to the black brace, use lots to make it sturdy so it > doesn't rattle. > > Tie-wrap all cable safely so they won't rub on any metal parts, or rattle. > > Test it again. > > To fit the Saab Mounting Console the instructions tell you to pop out > strange plasitc bolts in the centre console and move the top down - I > couldn't figure out how to get those out (special tool time!!), so I found > another way, the top corner where the console has to be 'hung' from is > fairly flexible so gently ease it out and slide the lugs around, it should > go on fine - BE CAREFUL - that centre console scratches as easily as > anything. > > Next you'll probably need to remove some material from the front edge of > the side kick-panel, to allow the cable to sneak in between the console and > the side-panel. Saves cutting big holes, and the THB cable has a big plug > on the end, so there is no chance on getting it through the tiny square > hole Saab suggests. I just took off the front lip a bit. > > Then wriggle the side panel in to place, getting the lugs all in, and > lining it all up until it looks okay, and fix the screws back in. Screw > the mounting console into the hole provided (you did remove the cover plate > on the side panel for it no?) > > 3 hours gone now > > Test it again. This leads me on to... > > More problems: > > It didn't work! Arrrggh, the person on the other end couldn't hear me, I > blamed the Saab microphone. Thankfully, I foudn I could pop out the AC > panel by removing a switch blank below, and plug in the THB microphone > through the hole. I couldn't have placed the unit better if I actually had > meant to! It didn't work with that either... Lots of swearing ensued. > > I was about to pull it all out, then I though I'd try a different 8210, so > borrowed my girlfriends and it all worked just fine, with the Saab > microphone! Excellent! > > So I thought I'd just steal her phone, but she was on Vodafone, I'm on > Orange, so her SIMM wouldn't work in my locked phone. > > So, I noticed plugging a headset into my phone that the socket moved around > a lot. I pupped off the front, found a small 'jewellers' screwdriver that > fitted the TORX screw head just fine, popped out all 6 screws and the > circuit board lifts off. The headset socket just floats around in there, > making contact via sprung metal connectors. I noticed lots of dust (my > phone is 18 months old now...), some beard hairs (a unknown hazard of > wearing even a short beard!), and I also noticed the 'spring' had gone out > of them a bit. So I cleaned it all up, and made the metal connectors stand > up a bit more, so when it went back together they had a better purchase on > the circuit board. > > This would also explain why sometimes the mode doesn't change to 'Car' and > only goes to 'Headset', or even just stays the same when the phone was > plugged in. > > Tested again and it all worked just fine. Yippee! Drive around ringing > people, just to make sure. Yep, all is well. > > Conclusion: > > Nokia 8210's not built that solidly, making me doubt if the Saab microphone > was working or not. It was, it is fine, people can hear me just great. > The reported bizarre cable swapping in the microphone is a little fiddly, > but it can be done if needed. > > Total time, 4 hours. As I say, should only have been 2, but I learned a > lot both about the Saab microphone, the THB kit, and the insides of a Nokia > 8210! > > Would I do it again? Definitely. It was all rather simple really, 8 > wires, a few screws and sourcing the right bits in the first place. It > saved a couple of hundred quid, which for even 4 hours work is worth it. > > END > >

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