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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:03:11 -0400
From: "Nutmegger" <nutmegger_7717nopsamo.com>
Subject: Re: 9-5 Passenger Airbag - how to disable?


"someguy" wrote: > Actually both accident statistics and research shows that the safest place is in > the front seat. Can you please post a link to such or provide your source? I find that very hard to believe from all the research I've done into this. There are several reasons for this: > If the child seat is mounted in the rear it is supported only by the > back of the front seat, What about the seatbelt? > which gives a much more unsafe support than the panel. > The situation can be improved by using a child seat stand that goes down to the > floor, but it is still inferior to the front seat mounting. > > - Collision tests show that child seats mounted in the rear give higher stresses > on the child body than seats mounted in the front. Interesting, but if you look at most accidents many more involve the front sections of the vehicle verses the back. >The trick to reduce the body > stresses is to be able to have the child seat follow the car collision impulse > curve as much as possible (this is done by having the seat mounted as tight as > possible, welding is the best method here!) and by spreading the collision > forces on as large area as possible of the child body (this is done by making > the child seat back as large as possible ) That makes sense to me, but it doesn't explain why the front is better than the back. > > - If the child is placed in the rear never place it close to the door, rather in > the middle It's common sense to me! I mean in the center of a vehicle with lots of metal on all sides. >(and don't forget the supporting stand to the car floor!). The reason > for this is that the post between the front and rear door is the weakest point > of the car at a side collision. What does that mean? Your car will crumple into an accordian if it is hit at this point? >Also for a side collision the front seat > mounting is superior since the car is strongest at the front post, which in > combination with the fairly stiff wall between the engine and passenger areas > protects the child extremely well. Unless the vehicle hits from the passenger side, then all you have is the door for protection. > > - The available volume is often larger in the front, which means that the child > can sit facing the rear much longer. Scientists recommend to have children in > reverse mounted child seats up to the age of 4 or 5. Scientists? Hmm....I can't imagine having a three year old in a reverse mounted seat. I did it up to the recommended weight of forty pounds, then I switched. > > - Having the child in the front reduces the risk of ending up in accident. A US > study shows that the risk of getting an accident at all is increased by about > 30% if the child sits in the rear seat, this is probably due to the poor contact > between the driver and the rear seated child. Well, that is the drivers fault so to speak, nothing to do with what is safest for the child. Most babies fall asleep anyway. > > Car manufacturers tend to recommend to have the child seat in the rear just to > simplify their responsibilities Yes, but the insurance industy also recommends it as well as NTSB. >and to reduce the problems of being able to > easily disconnect the airbag. Thus, don't trust the car manufacturers in this > case, they are not looking at the problem from a child perspective. The scientists are? Who is? Facts here, seem to speak for themselves wouldn't you say? It leaves me with the question, how many children died from sitting in the front, verses how many children died from sitting in the back? I think the figures would be surprising to us both, don't you? I also think if anyone lets a child under the age of 16 sit in the front with a passenger airbag is stupid! How many cases of children dying does it take to get this through to people's thick heads?! > someguy http://www.nospam/people/injury/childps/

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