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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:51:36 -0400
From: cs <cbsnospam.net>
Subject: Re: Wheel Nuts


How you got cloverleafs in '88 is beyond me, unless the cloverleafs were already out, and the Cincinnati dealer had some of pin-style nuts in stock back then when I purchased my 1st set. You can blame the failure of these units on me if you like, but I'll guarantee I was gentle with them - my 16" wheels, the cross-spoke, Griffins, retailed for $2,500 in '88 - as a consequence, I was necessarily gentle with them. My recollection was that on the 1st set, when one lug began to fail, I replaced the entire set. Then with the cloverleafs, 1st, one went out, and I had to drill a hole down the center of it, then pound in a thin cold chisel on which I took a pipe wrench to turn it out. Then on some subsequent wheel exchange, another nut failed (I particularly remember trying to remove summer tires late December one year to put my Gilslavids on). Thereafter, the 3rd one failed, and after wrestling for hours trying to drill these bitches out, I took that one to the dealer. Frankly, you can make all the assumptions you want that I was sloppy with these inferior lug nuts, but it makes little difference - they're still shit: for sake of argument, let's assume I used them in the fashion of even an average user (instead of carefully, and always with a torque wrench). Since I've had bad experience w/two sets over a 12 year period, versus your good experience w/one set over a 14 year period, I submit my experiences are likely statistically more accurate than yours, given the 100% larger sample. Then again, I might have changed wheels more often than you, given I have 3 separate sets (2 Griffin sets, 1 sunburst 15 spoke set) . Bottom line, Dave, w/all due deference, I maintain the Saab locking nuts have bullshit designs, and Saab has one hell of a lot of nerve charging $21.50 per nut. There is nothing unwarranted about Saab locking lugs being of a complete, unadulterated shit design. This is particularly so when one considers the price. When one spends that much money for a nut, that mofo had better last- in fact it should be titanium, and tipped with rubies. I'll never, ever buy another one of these sets from Saab. And if there is nothing better - as if I now even care to look - my feelings are that my time and piece of mind are far more important to me than the $1,000 deductible - so if some crack head wants to steal my wheels, oh well, I'll just torque down another set. On 28 Aug 2004 18:37:30 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinznospamcop.net> wrote: >My set of Saab locking lugbolts lasted the life of the car, from '88 until >2002 when I traded it with 247,000 miles. They are of the cloverleaf >deesign, and I have no resevations in suggesting that anyone buy this quality >product. I don't know if you got two bad sets (yet you say the steel is good) >or if you're doing something wrong, but making a blanket statement as you >are that they're "complete, unadulterated shit" seems unwarranted. > >Dave Hinz

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