Re: Trying to get a stable idle - Saab Saab Model 99 Bulletin Board - Saabnet.com
The banner above is an advertisment - if it asks you to download software, please ignore.
Site News - 4/9 Saab Owners' Convention Day Pass Raffle | 3/26 M Car Covers (by State of Nine)

[General | Members | C900 | 9000 | NG900 & OG93 | 93 | 95 | NG95 | 99 | Sonett | Vintage Models | Clubs | Other Cars | FAQs | Gifts | Member Photo Galleries | Member Directory | Classifieds | Manuals | *Buddy Registry | *Mileage Registry | Polls | What's New | Raffle | Photo of the Month | Sponsors]

Saab Model 99 Bulletin Board
1969-1984 [Subscribe to Daily Digest]
(Search Author's Posts: e.g. Keyword:username)*Members Only


[Main Saab Model 99 Bulletin Board | BBFAQ | Prev by Date | Next by Date | Post Followup ] Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos
Re: Trying to get a stable idle
Like This Post: - Subscribe to Daily Digest for this Bulletin Board
Posted by Don Wollum [Email] (more from Don Wollum) on Tue, 21 Nov 2023 15:20:45 Share Post by Email
In Reply to: Trying to get a stable idle, Reed R [Profile/Gallery] , Mon, 30 Oct 2023 18:31:34
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:
Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup

Hi Reed,

The issue you noted are likely one dramatic over fueling issue.

1 is suspect is a split rubber vacuum boot in the full manifold vacuum line from top of intake plenum, 5" behind the throttle body. there is a 2 ft white plastic tube that has 2- 2" long rubber connect tubes at either end. IF split in this line, ( air leak) EFI thinks throttle manifold vacuum is telling computer that the engine is at full throttle. Location MAP sensor: the manifold pressure sensor sits atop the left under bonnet inner fender, aluminum barrel shape, elect connection with 4 wires ( all of them white wires ) and black cover cap on one end.

Again, this input from Manifold pressure sensor value leading to the bosche FI ECM is the main mixture BIGGEST influence on engine mixture. if vacuum leak here in that connecting vacuum hose, idle is terrible and plugs do foul.

more fuel tests:

next, in boot remove fuel filter and back plow it or replace it ( same as VW TYpwe III)

to make sure EFI basics are dialed in: easy and basic next check fuel line pressure:To power pump, carefully take a jumper wire w alligator clips , affix one end to Marshall alternator B+ 6mm threads, and then at fuse box, remove cover and connect B+ in other end alligator to fuel pump fuse ( look at label for fuse number ) (#8?) pump you will hear running in trunk.

test fuel rail PSI expect 28-30 PSI, where to connect 0-60 PSI fuel gauge? disconnect rubber fuel line where it enters the fuel injector pipe. entry for fuel is at one end or other. so connecting gauge with a "T" connection ( 8mm or 5/16" barb sized ) to test fuel rail pressure. jumper electrical from alt top fuse to run pressure test.

The fuel pressure regulator is in the middle of fuel inj rail and the exit for gas from the regulator is the bled off fuel pressure path for excess gas return to gas tank.

For overall fuel pump health, take needle nose pliers and pinch return hose briefly ( hose that is below regulator ) good pump is 45-50 psi.


If pressure is above 28-30, lets say 40 or 50 psi, check for a restriction in the return line to tank. LPHV air connection to take off gas cap FIRST!! then lightly blow some air 1-2 seconds only in return hose below f regulator having assistant listen for air bubbles in tank filler w gas cap off.

If pressure 32psi and needs to be lowered , the fuel regulator has a 13 mm lock nut on top and when loosened, the 10mm center screw can be screwed in to increase pressure, and if above 32 psi, screw center threads out ( up )

finally idle on EFI is key to set up throttle and throttle switch.

1. remove air cleaner, carb cleaner on rag, clean throttle plate bore and brass throttle disc.
2. slacken throttle cable 1/4"
3. on throttle housing: there is a stop locknut and little throttle stop phillips screw. loosed locknut 2 turns. ALSO loosen throttle switch ( 2) screws so that throttle sw is free to move. "to an fro"
4. screw up phillips till actual throttle flap in throttle housing closes fully ( visual w air cleaner still off
5. then screw down phillips till you see throttle disc just move ( life away from fully closed) FROM that pint w phillips, screw screw down 270 degrees ( 3/4 turn) this is "mechanical air only" baseline air: Tighten 8mm little throttle stop lock nut. Note: 3/4 from closed throttle disc ISset up for ALL saabs efi need till 1994! and 9000's
6.now w key on, AND w eng NOT running, move throttle forward till one "click " is heard. lightly turn in 2 throttle sw screws, TEST by opening throttle slowly and listening for 20 clicks as you open to full open throttle disc. The let throttle disc return ( NO CLICK in return travel, YET one click when disc then hist full closed ( mech air flap setting ) may need to tweek adjustment few times.

to get some idea of injector open duration in miliseconds.. just a basic hand held Volt meter ( digital fluke ) with pos and neg probes inserted in one injector backside under wire boot ( injector still plugged in. will give idea of amount of fuel injected. works great on LH cars too.

idle warn is .3V ast Idle Idle cols is .6 V > 40F, flipping throttle open briefly you will see 1-2 V

VW trained 1971 and 1972 including EFI and Saab dealer tech 1977 onwards where servicing 99 pre 1975 car EFI issues were common.

May this information fix your 99 driveability and fowling and idle problems Don


posted by 174.19.117...


Posts in this Thread:
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:
Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup
Post a Followup

No Site Registration is Required to Post - Site Membership is optional (Member Features List), but helps to keep the site online
for all Saabers. If the site helps you, please consider helping the site by becoming a member.

Name: Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos
E-Mail: (Optional)
Re-Enter E-Mail: (Confidential & Secure - Not revealed to other users!)
Note: Please check your spam folder for BB responses.

Subject:

Posting rules are simple - No for sale/wanted ads may be posted here - use the site classifieds.
You may not cross-post your message to multiple BBs.
Not permitted: political/religious topics and being disrespectful (personal attacks, insults, etc...).
Site Members do not see any red text, inline ad links, bottom of page anchor ads, box ads, or anti-spam check.

Message: (please no for sale/wanted classifieds - post those in the Saabnet.com Classifieds)
Links are now automatically made active, no need for any special code (or use the Option Link field below) - don't put links in () or end with a '.'
To add inline images to your post, use [img]http://www.domain.com/img.jpg[endimg] (or use the Optional Image Link field below).


Links are now automatically made active, no need for any special code (or use the Option Link field below) - don't put links in () or end with a '.'
To add inline images to your post above, use [img]http://www.domain.com/img.jpg[endimg] (or use the Optional Image Link field below).

Optional Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/)
Link Title: (Optional)
Optional Photo/Image Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/img.jpg)
Photo/Image to Upload: (Please be patient while file uploads)





StateOfNine.com
SaabClub.com
Jak Stoll Performance
M Car Covers
Ad Available

The content on this site may not be republished without permission. Copyright © 1988-2024 - The Saab Network - saabnet.com.
For usage guidelines, see the Mission & Privacy Notice.
[Contact | Site Map | Saabnet.com on Facebook | Saabnet.com on Twitter | Shop Amazon via TSN | Site Donations]

Random Saabnet.com Member Gallery Photos (Click Image)

This is a moderated bulletin board - Posting is a privilege, not a right. Unsolicited commercial postings are not allowed (no spam). Please, no For Sale or Wanted postings, SERIOUSLY. Classifieds are to be listed in The Saab Network Classifieds pages. This is a problem solving forum for over 250,000 Saab owners, so expect to see problems discussed here even though our cars are generally very reliable. This is not an anything goes type of forum. Saabnet.com has been a moderated forum since 1988. For usage guidelines, see the Saabnet.com Mission and Purpose Page. Please remember that you are not anonymous. Site Contact | Site Donations | Other Sites by SP - Poverty2Prosperity.org | Run Club Menlo Park | ScreenBot



Site Members do not see red text instructions, bottom of the page anchor ads, or box ads.
Click here to see all the Site Membership Benefits!