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Posted by stufis (more from stufis) on Fri, 27 May 2005 22:49:37 Share Post by Email
In Reply to: Not that cheap, wasting oil is right....., Mike Lynch [Profile/Gallery] , Fri, 27 May 2005 19:25:27
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First point: 200k? I’m gonna wait that long to swap cars??? Oh puh-leeze back atcha...most of us (maybe not you, Mike, and I am not trying to pick on you, since I have decided you wear one of the white hats on this bb)...but most of us decide that 200k comes around too infrequently and don't wanna deal with the equivalent of roll-up windows, so we opt out and get something newer...as you know, the *average* driver would have to wait 13 years to experience 200k miles (at 15k/year). Think back 13 years and what were we confronted with??? Roll-up windows, that's what! A 1992 whatever ain't a pretty picture right now for a car buyer when compared to a 2005 whatever...even you will admit that. So, do you really think the *average* Saabnet reader is gonna wait 13 years to replace his Saab (unless he re-builds/hoards *classics")??? Fugedaboudit! So your very first point isn’t relevant to most of us here, and certainly not to the remainder of the Saab drivers…I get a kick out of that idea, though…scads of 200k owners driving around major metropoli. Heh…

Still on the first point…second thought: Are you telling me that GM, et al. are backing up their oil-related warranties? So I should wait to 15k for my oil changes? Um, er, what about the definition of "severe" use?" Who defines that? I have read some dissonance on this bb about that topic, and I suspect it ain’t unique. It seems to me it is the legal department of an operating unit of GM that would try to define when a car’s use is *severe.* And with its legion of lawyers (and plenty of dough for outside local counsel) to beat you back down, Mr. "What's In My Personal Bank Account That I Can Use To Defend The Lawsuit I Must Resort To," I think I still prefer to do the more frequent changes and keep the back-up materials (I think that’s what I originally typed).

OK, off the first point....and into the ether (but I promise to come back to your second paragraph’s *unique* logic trail)…I recall a Biz School course on the effect of diminishing oil reserves...(this was back in the dark ages...er...the mid-70s). These were Profs who regularly interviewed the Detroit execs for their research, so I presume it had some valid data, and the research indicated that those at the auto-industrial-complex *thought* that the sooner we deplete our dyno reserves, the sooner we/they and the energy companies would create real alternatives...these execs were personally against the expansion of oil reserves…of course that was not a postion they could publicize.

Why? The short-term anomaly of driving up costs (your comment regarding how expensive it is to do 5k oil changes): This is what is required to get dramatic change into the economic cycle. With no squawking, there will be no change.

We are seeing some of this now...the technologies allowing for the advent of the Prius era and (slowly) the end of the SUV era. I recall those mid-70s highway yachts, after the very first gasoline crisis of 74-75, a Chevy Malibu had a trunk you could stuff half of Rhode Island in...to me that was the analog to today's SUV, and we will be tittering about those SUVs in a few (ten?) years. The Prius is perhaps the tip of the iceberg, and I think there are many other things on the drawing boards at the various car companies that we, of course, don’t read/hear about.

We won't run out of mobiles...we WILL run out of dyno-powered mobiles, but the economy will absorb all of these dislocations...as it has to date. Sure, there will be some heartburn, but that is all part of the human condition involving change.

In re-reading my garbahge, I am not sure where this goes. However, I do think (put on your body armor, Mike) my ramble is just as bad as yours, since yours culminated in suggesting my initial posting was damaging your environment and that (if I correctly read the logic you tried to invoke) I should go see a Doc and be certified a hypochondriac. Of course, if changing my oil more frequently is your view of the onset of such a condition, I welcome a reference of your medical credentials that would allow you to so opine 8^).

Boy, my fingers are tired…but I enjoyed it!

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