[Main General Bulletin Board | BBFAQ | Prev by Date | Next by Date | Post Followup ] Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos Re: UAW? Like This Post: - Subscribe to Daily Digest for this Bulletin Board Posted by Justin VanAbrahams [Email] (#32) [Profile/Gallery] (more from Justin VanAbrahams) on Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:08:00 In Reply to: UAW?, AlS, Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:01:32 Alert me when someone posts in this thread: Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup

The management that caused today's problems haven't been management for a long time. It's difficult to assemble a cohesive group of quality cars when you're hamstrung by dealer contracts that effectively obligate to popular 11 full car lineups and labor contracts that make it impractical or impossible to automate in a modern way or risk having huge numbers of unused workers. There is certainly something serious when GM has to pay their workers what amounts to double what Toyota does.

A company as large and complex as GM has large and complex issues. Stockholders, UAW, dealers, corporate overhead, infighting, management, past paths to success tainting current decisions. I'm sure all have played a significant role in getting GM where it is today. I don't think anyone is or can point their finger and say "Aha! There's the problem!"

Hopefully, a bk will give GM the ability to refocus and get to work on what's important in 2009... If not, well, who cares. Cars are commodity items that in 100 years will probably be a cool footnote in history. There is no future when 5 billion people drive 3000lb petrochemically powered vehicles around. Roadways cost money to maintain and take up valuable real estate inefficently, cars cost money to build, maintain, and destroy and both are less than positive on the environment. Maybe American industry *should* abandon the automobile - we'll never be able to compete with labor costs in 2nd & 3rd world countries, and the gap between the worst and best is closing quickly. The Hyundai Genesis is proof of that. Maybe we should focus on what's next instead.

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• Closing dealerships.. is it the begining of the end?, SylvainQc, Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:55:16
  • People still drive MG's, No Snaab, Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:01:17
    • Re: People still drive MG's, and Triumph's, Henri L, Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:48:20
      • Re: People still drive MG's, and Triumph's, No Snaab, Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:53:06
  • Re: Same in San Francisco Bay Area- 3 closed, anthonySF, Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:14:07
  • Re: Closing dealerships.. is it the begining of the end, ryan , Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:37:13
    • probably right, JohnA , Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:49:43
      • i am aware that Jack Carter moved in to new digs..., Saabu , Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:55:32
        • Re: i am aware that Jack Carter moved in to new digs..., JohnA , Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:14:09
        • Calgary is like an oasis of high-priced cars - you bet, JohnA , Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:42:11
          • i think Stampede bought McKay Pontiac....nm, Saabu , Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:45:59
            • West LRT route goes through Stampede's ppty?, JohnA , Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:52:41
              • no i mean Stampede Pontiac bought McKay Pontiac, Saabu , Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:37:31
          • Re: Calgary is like an oasis of high-priced cars - you bet, Henri L, Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:43:20
  • And possibly a new beginning, Ari , Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:22:16
    • EU, UK, Australia, Canada, Sweden, JohnA , Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:06:07
    • Re: And possibly a new beginning, Justin VanAbrahams , Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:34:23
      • UAW?, AlS, Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:01:32
        • Re: UAW?, TG, Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:46:45
          • Two-tiered wages, long term liabilites, etc., Bill Homer , Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:13:32
            • There is a lot of mis-information being circulated...., MI-Roger , Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:03:34
        • Re: UAW?, Justin VanAbrahams , Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:08:00 <-- Viewing This Message
        • Well, let's be totally fair, Benji, Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:06:55
  • Re: Closing dealerships.. is it the begining of the end?, EGD , Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:13:23
    • Re: Closing dealerships.. is it the begining of the end?, TML , Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:44:43
      • Re: Closing dealerships.. is it the begining of the end?, SylvainQc, Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:45:46

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