occasionally, no TCS, no ESC, no ABS, hell, no airbags on my '88, on my '84, or my two '74's. Just me and the machine. And no, I do not endanger anyone else around me, because, yes I DO take it to a track.

Learn to drive your stinkin' car and quit relying on others to tell you "you can't handle it".

All that crap is just that. Crap. It adds weight to the car, not to mention complexity. But more importantly these systems make the person behind the wheel a POORER driver. How can you possibly get yourself out of a bad situation if you are never exposed to it? Case in point, drivers with ABS have no idea of the concept of trailing throttle, or threshold braking. When moving from a vehicle that has it to a vehicle that doesn't they will invariably lock the wheels in a slick situation. These skills are virtually negated by these technologies and makes for less opportunities to understand the dynamics of vehicle control.

The best thing a driver could do is to get themselves to a driver's school. No, I'm not talking about the highschool teacher, or your parent -- I'm talking a professional driver's school. You will soon learn the limits of any car's (and your) abilities, and when to recognize when you're at that threshold. Knowing the limits and where you can apply those limits is by far a better litmus of driving ability than any of these traction control technologies.

Hell, both Buick and Toyota are currently working on computer controlled highways where YOU don't even drive the car. You link up with a lead car and it does the rest.

No thank you. **I** want to drive my car...

SCCA member...

Jim M.
'74 99LE 4dr, RIP
'74 99LE 3dr, sold
'84 base 900 3dr, traded
'88 900S, sold after 305,000 original owner miles
'97 900SET Coupe, Talladega Edition, Abbott ECU, Abbott VRK, Abbott Springs, Saab Sport Exhaust, Forge BPV, Autometer boost gauge.

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• POOL Who favors ESP/ESC as an option only???, Coolknight, Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:12:17
  • Just more weight and complexity. Option. I drive "aggressively", Talladega900, Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:29:23 <-- Viewing This Message
  • No Option / On & Off Shift - - Want to drive aggressively take it, Dave Kovacs, Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:06:10
  • Who cares as long as you can switch it on and off.., Richard P., Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:19:28
  • Issues with options, Ari , Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:21:22
  • You don't appriciate it until too late, keeton, Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:59:27
  • Should have on/off switch like TCS. n/m, Derek Gentry, Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:46:04
  • How about including an ON / OFF switch?, IrieTom , Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:49:12
    • Re: How about including an ON / OFF switch?, Caspar, Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:14:26
  • Re: POOL Who favors ESP/ESC as an option only???, Steve L, Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:22:21

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