Kia and Hynudai seem to be building very nice cars. I rented a Sonata a couple months back and was thoroughly impressed. For $20-large it's a great value. The Kia Rondo I rented last summer had my back in agony after a mere 2 hours in the car. And it was underpowered with sloppy handling. Funny... the woman at the rental place apologized that it was all they had left and said "nobody wants to rent a Kia!"

But the real test is how they last. A 10 yr/100K mile warranty is nice, but it's only a limited powertrain warranty. If you buy a used one it is only good to 60K miles. The rest of the standard warranty is 5 years/60K miles, and they do have a good rust-through provision and nice roadside assistance features. But Kia has lawsuits against it for not honoring the warranty.

I want to know how the rest of the car holds up. Will it still be solid and safe at 185K like my '96 Saab 9000? Will it still feel great at 106K like my wife's '03 9-5? Or will it be buzzy and loose with the interior bits failing?

Durability doesn't matter if you rent the thing for 3 years, but real value comes over time.

• Old Car, What to replace., Hal P., Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:01:01
  • Good luck with your old Sobb!!, David, Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:02:00
    • not surprised that you are "with Ian", seeing how you, AeroEd, Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:30:59
      • yeah... and the blend door..., James, Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:14:25
  • Re: Old Car, What to replace., Seansaab, Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:44:09
  • a couple easy things to look at..., James, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:31:14
  • Re: Old Car, What to replace., Doug W , Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:51:17
    • Re: Old Car, What to replace., Hal P, Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:53:45
      • Re: Old Car, What to replace., Doug W , Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:42:33
    • Re: Old Car, What to replace. Old School Maintenance, Doug W , Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:06:01
  • Re: Old Car, What to replace., SG, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:08:36
    • Re: Old Car, What to replace., James, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:43:52
  • Check stuff. Replace stuff, Noel, Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:06:46
    • Re: Check stuff. Replace stuff, Hal P, Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:34:41
  • Re: Old Car, What to replace. - With a Kia, Ian, Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:22:51
    • Re: Sounds like you are ...., JeffSm, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:06:35
    • Who will be the next owner of SAAB Corp??, Ian, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:44:39
      • Huh? Why can't you compare earlier Kia models?, Noel, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:53:18
    • No more SLUDGE with a Kia, Ian, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:07:00
      • sludge is a non-issue..., James, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:43:17
        • If you keep comparing older Kia's, Ian, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:47:28
          • there is no reliability data for new cars., James, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:02:03
    • laughing all day long at Kias..., James, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:31:03
      • Mine is 10 years old., John Myers, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:31:43
      • Go test drive a new Optima Turbo..., Ian, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:51:27
        • Re: Go test drive a new Optima Turbo..., Union, Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:16:06
        • You may well be right...., Noel, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:27:42
          • Saab didn't make it on the most reliable list of cars, Ian, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:28:51
            • more errors..., James, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:56:28
              • Re: more errors. Figured you'd jump in!, Noel, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:14:07
                • I've heard the same., John Myers, Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:40:47
            • I don't think there were enough NG9-5s sold., John Myers, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:38:36
    • So... gone over to the boring side, eh?, Noel, Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:17:31
    • Re: Old Car, What to replace. - With a Kia, Hal P., Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:03:57
      • See? That's the difference.., RobsSaab, Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:00:18
    • I'd rather walk..., JayJ, Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:41:32
      • Keep owning a Saab, you'll be walking...., Ian, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:38:17
      • the new Kias are pretty nice..., Mark from Toronto, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:08:50
        • But the real trick is how they hold up over time, Noel, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:31:31 <-- Viewing This Message
          • Not sure if the newer Saab would hold up like it used 2, Ian, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:31:22
            • The quality is way up., John Myers, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:45:25
            • Re: Not sure if the newer Saab would hold up like it used 2, Hal P, Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:02:47
              • I do own a BMW 3 series as well..., Ian, Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:10:05
                • lol. Ian, you're a piece of crap, turbostud, Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:51:45
                  • And you have a lot of class by calling people names??, Ian, Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:32:16
                • Re: I do own a BMW 3 series as well..., Doug W , Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:50:54
                • wow, this has degenerated..., James, Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:11:06
                • Would your bmw eat the optima for lunch? :), SG, Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:24:12
                  • Re: Would your bmw eat the optima for lunch? :) - NOPE, Ian, Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:54:31
                    • Re: Would your bmw eat the optima for lunch? :) - Huh?, Doug W , Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:49:22

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