It's a 1986 Toyota Land Cruiser HJ60 Diesel. It has a 4.0L I-6 Diesel with a five speed manual (granny 1st and over drive 5th). With these trucks you can easily average 20mpg on the highway. It's not the quietest, smoothest or most comfortable but it's necessary. Come to think of it, it sort of drives like a school bus....;-). (one is pictured below though it isn't mine since I don't have a pic online. It’s what I hope mine will look like eventually).

It all depends on where you live, what you drive and how you drive. Up in Vermont you need Trucks or "SUVs". As good as Saabs, Audis, or Subarus are in slick conditions, they won't perform in 8"+ of snow or mud (as most dirt roads in my area become during Vermont’s fifth season appropriately called mud season.) It becomes strictly a matter of clearance and tire size. I also enjoy the sport of four-wheel off-roading and prefer the enclosed cargo area for my needs. Thus, I drive an "SUV".

What gives us (SUV drivers) a bad name (as those you refer to) are the people who live in downtown L.A. that THINK they know how to drive Cadillac Escalades and such, but really don't. They're the hazards on the road.

Don't hate the SUV. It can be a very practical vehicle. Hate the people who own them and don't know how to drive them. That can also be said for the driver of any car: BMWs?…..only kidding. Alas, there I go stereotyping again....;-)

1990 c900T hatch
1965 Austin Mini Cooper ‘S’
1986 Toyota Land Cruiser HJ60 diesel


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• For the SUV Bashers, Viggen Pilot, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 05:51:02
  • Re: For the SUV Bashers, Atul, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:31:26
  • but SUV's are wagons! n/m, saw, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:08:06
  • Wow! Viggen Pilot, didn't you know this topic..., Sean H, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:03:00
  • what about an Aero wagon?, KL, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:35:59
  • I'm buying an SUV next...., Richard P., Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:51:56
  • Automotive Executive Wackos came first, Chuck, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:56:02
  • many of you miss the point, MO, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:38:20
    • Re: many of you miss the point, mateored, Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:46:31
    • Re: many of you miss the point, Saab owner to-be, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:27:43
      • or a Viggen..., Bob M, Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:15:58
    • Re: many of you miss the point, AdamB , Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:35:32
      • But that's hypocritical!, Viggen Pilot, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:53:39
        • Missed the point.., AdamB , Wed, 26 Nov 2003 04:41:20
          • Re: Missed the point.., Bob M, Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:24:14
  • Re: I drive an SUV and can get 20+MPG....(!), Gehn, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:06:17 <-- Viewing This Message
  • I have no problem with SUVs just bad drivers in ..., TKC, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:19:22
    • I have a problem with all bad drivers..., MarkP., Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:31:34
      • Yes I agree with you but the risk tend to be higher..., TKC, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:43:43
  • I love SUVs!, Sieglo, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:07:19
    • SUV counterpoint., Camm , Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:39:54
      • Re: SUV counterpoint., mateored, Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:50:32
      • Isn't this just everything that's wrong with them?, Chuck, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:24:17
      • so what you're saying is..., Bob M, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:04:55
        • What's wrong with buying a car for looks?, Viggen Pilot, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:11:58
          • Re: What's wrong with buying a car for looks?, AdamB , Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:43:47
      • My point exactly (nm), Viggen Pilot, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:47:11
    • Re: I love SUVs!, sf, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:50:49
  • Nothing like getting 13 mpg..., KB900T, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:59:32
    • I have a Saab and an F150, love them both, John in Bismarck, Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:46:40
      • Re: I have a Saab and an F150, love them both, steveC, Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:18:35
    • Re: more economical 5L, steveC, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:58:39
  • SUV's are just a BIG hazard to everyone on the road (+), It's me...Gabor, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:51:59
  • there's no need for them to cook the books.., Bob M, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:10:06
    • Sure there is!, Viggen Pilot, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:22:53
      • not warming, but consumption..., Chris., Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:42:28
      • More to the SUV problem than that, AdamB , Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:43:45
      • Verification on Bob Lutz's figures???, RS , Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:35:33
        • The no. is not in dispute, you left out the important.., Nathaniel, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:15:20
          • I've never seen that figure before, therefore I have no, RS , Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:24:55
  • Re: For the SUV Bashers, Gforce, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:27:42
    • Understand what you're saying, but........, Viggen Pilot, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:53:18
      • no stigma attached to SUV's?, KL, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:42:18
      • is there a stigma attached to the audi allroad, too?, sf, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:46:42
      • You go ahead and get your SUV..., saabaru, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:43:22
        • I don't want a SUV, Viggen Pilot, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:49:34
          • Re: I don't want a SUV, mateored, Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:59:33
          • Since when did popular mean intelligent or sensible? nm, AdamB , Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:32:48
          • SUV's are "so popular", Aero'ed, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:52
      • isn't this view a little outdated?, dip, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:14:14
  • on another tangent, jp, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:10:05
    • Good one!, Viggen Pilot, Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:47:55

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