[Main General Bulletin Board | BBFAQ | Prev by Date | Next by Date | Post Followup ] Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos Re: That's a weak argument..... Like This Post: - Subscribe to Daily Digest for this Bulletin Board Posted by Justin VanAbrahams [Email] (#32) [Profile/Gallery] (more from Justin VanAbrahams) on Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:46:22 In Reply to: That's a weak argument....., Mike Lynch [Profile/Gallery] , Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:10:48 Alert me when someone posts in this thread: Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup

In principal, I agree with you.

But the problem is the precedent that "best guess" law enforcement sets. While there is no argument that he was speeding and arguably driving recklessly, the bottom line is that if we allow the police or other enforcement agencies to prosecute based on WAG, we are effectively saying that not only can people be charged for crimes they didn't commit, but that sentences are not based on the crime, but based on the perception of the crime.

From what I've read, that bike is probably not capable of much more than 170mph, meaning the officer was probably exaggerating by 18%. I peronsally don't buy that "modified" argument at all. Getting ANY vehicle from 170mph to 205mph is no trivial undertaking - especially not for an already strung out bike. That same margin of error could cause a minor speeding ticket to become misdemeanor for you or I, or be the difference between theft and grand theft for a burglar.

I'm not endorsing crime or criminals or making excuses for lawbreakers, but our entire justice system is *supposed* to be based on accurate accounting and proof. If we throw those guidelines out the window - no matter how upset we are about a crime - we give law enforcement a LOT of power. Personally, I'm not comfortable with that *at all*.

So, yeah, this guy is gonna get off "easy." No one was actually hurt, no damage was done. And maybe Mr. Trooper will be more careful when noting details in the future. I'd certainly hope that if he nabbed me for my traditional 10-over, he won't let his indignation affect his writing skills.

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• Remember the 205mph motorcyclist?, Finch, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:20:29
  • We should care less about the one kid doing 200 than, Nathaniel, Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:14:54
    • Re: We should care less about the one kid doing 200 tha, Scott Paterson , Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:33:09
  • with a bike like that, perhaps time is more valuable..., Scott Paterson , Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:39:29
  • IMHO - kids can not care - parents should be outraged, JDSaab, Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:17:17
  • Some MN observations, Pat, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:19:47
  • 200 hours is a bunch..., Mike Lynch , Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:44:35
  • case should have been thrown out, TML , Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:25:34
    • That's a weak argument....., Mike Lynch , Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:10:48
      • "Basic Speed Law", Rafe, Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:13:26
      • Re: That's a weak argument....., TML , Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:46:43
      • speed is speed, Pat, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:33:11
      • Re: That's a weak argument....., Justin VanAbrahams , Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:46:22 <-- Viewing This Message
        • Indication of speed, Finch, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:37:38
          • Re: Indication of speed, t_mokes, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:00:44
        • Re: That's a weak argument....., Justin VanAbrahams , Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:12:20
        • well put and put well. it's a slippery slope. nm, prodigal son, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:50:32
  • Re: Remember the 205mph motorcyclist?, Yak, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:04:17
  • I recall an interview on NPR...., SilverAeroGuy, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:32:36
    • A little bit more on the Samuel Tilley issue, SilverAeroGuy, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:02:57
      • The bike was not stock, John J, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:07:30
        • Re: The bike was not stock, TML , Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:27:42
          • 10% error, John J, Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:12:41
        • Re: The bike was stock...., SilverAeroGuy, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:39:37
  • Re: Remember the 205mph motorcyclist?, Rafe, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:08:42
    • no I don't, Finch, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:20:28
  • Remember, you were not in the court room n/m, Nathan Pflaum , Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:50:59
  • Not comforting, but phone calls and letters can make .., Urby, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:31:59
    • phone calls and letters... good for behavior..., Bill in VA, Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:20:36

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