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Those wacky Swedes... Posted by Stephen Goldberger (more from Stephen Goldberger) on Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:02:23

In Reply to: Some words on SAAB, history and innovation...(venting), Gehn, Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:33:06 Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup

have studied AWD for decades. Their conclusion has always been that the marginal increase in mobility afforded by AWD vs. FWD is hardly worth the penalty in fuel economy, accomdations, and initial cost. It's right up there with cupholders, another abomination in the sight of the Swedes.

AWD has been around for 20 years or more. Remember the first Audi Quattro? bombed in the market place. BMW AWD. ditto. the first MB 4-matic? Same thing. Only Subaru was able to make anything of their AWD, and then only after Paul Hogan gave them some advertising flair. Mainly for Subaru, it was b/c the FWD version of their cars paled in comparison to Honda and Toyota, and were boat anchors on the lots. So they just dumped the FWD version in favor of all AWD and promoted the hell out of it. For so many years they had the niche to themselves, so they did OK.

AWD was never, ever a marketplace success until the CAFE inspired SUV came on the scene. Now these trucks are such evil handling, unstable pieces of work that in RWD form they are undriveable on poor surfaces - so the myth of AWD was born. It's all smoke and mirrors, but it's what sells.

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Some words on SAAB, history and innovation...(venting), Gehn, Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:33:06
- Those wacky Swedes..., Stephen Goldberger, Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:02:23 <-- Viewing This Message
  - Re: All wheel drive is smoke and mirrors?, rg, Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:20:38
    - Maybe not smoke and mirrors but way over hyped, saw, Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:58:59
      - I agree way over hyped, but..., rg, Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:41:32
        I'd essentially concur, saw, Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:02:30
        sounds like we're on the same page..., rg, Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:06:42
        Yes, saw, Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:09:12
        Yes, the engine braking is a very nice bonus..., rg, Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:06:21
        Darn you any way. LOL +, saw, Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:01:51
        ha...and yes, great thread..., rg, Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:02:31
  - Re: Those wacky Swedes..., Mattias.se, Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:17:06
- Sorry, "venting" is the wrong word..., Gehn, Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:29:05
  - how about "blather" ?, chrisx, Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:50:26
    - Re: Oh, so Saab is a car....., Gehn, Fri, 26 Sep 2003 05:42:48
      - Re: Oh, so Saab is a car....., chrisx, Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:24:53
        Re: lol, Gehn, Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:27:32
- I have a different theory, Hood, Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:56:03
- sure..., Scott Paterson , Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:56:03
  - Boxster engine?! Holy Crap!, LAGene, Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:36:11
    - Re: Boxster engine?! Holy Crap!, RonD , Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:45:12
      - my bad - RonD is right. Horizontally..., Scott Paterson , Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:58:41
  - Re: sure..., Gehn, Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:19:38
    - Sure sure! ;-), Scott Paterson , Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:47:05
      - Re: Sure sure! ;-), Gehn, Fri, 26 Sep 2003 05:49:03
      - hmmm....I thought the 96 was the longest selling model?, DougM , Fri, 26 Sep 2003 05:43:04
      - Re: Sure sure! ;-), Steve L, Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:30:30
        Re: did those have the backward facing rear seat?, Gehn, Fri, 26 Sep 2003 05:45:21
        yes they do/did, Rick, Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:13:34
      - Indeed,, No.9, Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:04:08
        Yes, the 99 fever never heals..., Street, Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:06:51

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