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Re: Yep. Nope!!! (long)
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Posted by xhawksaab (more from xhawksaab) on Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:19:47 Share Post by Email
In Reply to: Yep., vtsnaab [Profile/Gallery] , Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:43:37
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I first want to say that you are certainly entitled to your opinions. I would defend that right to the death. That being said, here is my (more than) 2 cents worth. After doing some research on one of the items you mentioned, GEET. I do believe it is true that one can get an internal combustion engine to run on the GEET system. It still gets a fuel-air mixture into the combustion chambers.

But have you looked at their claims? They claim that the GEET system is based on 1) a plasma - which the (established) scientific community believes can only at very high temperatures and/or pressures and certainly higher temperatures than achieved in an exhaust from an internal combustion engine; 2) transmutation of elements - they believe that they are actually changing the incoming carbon (they don't mention hydrocarbons) and sulphur into hydrogen and oxygen by passing it over a rod that is in some sort of alignment with the magnetic field of the earth - even to the point of producing excess oxygen which is sent out of the exhaust and 3) the more restrictive the exhaust, the more efficient the system will be - in conventional wisdom, it is generally regarded that some back-pressure is necessary, but in general the internal combustion engine is a pump and will be most efficient when the flow through it (in and out is maximized).

Until someone can show me otherwise, I don't see how the GEET system can achieve the claims they make. Yes, it will run. Will it be more efficient? I sincerely doubt it. The videos I watched from their website showed a scooter that they converted and claimed that they doubled it km/liter. But they show NO documented proof. They also show a Ford pick-up truck with a 460 cu. in. engine idling (roughly) on their system, but did not show it actually moving. I downloaded two powerpoints and the claims made there were not just dubious, but relatively incoherent as well.

As for your claims that we don't know everything, you are absolutely correct. However, many of your later examples of things like storage on early hard drives vs. today's flash drives are NOT examples of things that science said could never be done. They are just things that the technology of the time didn't allow. I don't believe that science today is as naive as those at the end of the 19th century that said we know all that we can know. I am amazed at the number of people today who rely SO much on modern science that are also so quick to dismiss it. I also become rather skeptical when a process like GEET has to be promoted on a site that also claims to be able to produce electric motors that are 125% efficient.

As for you statements above, I want to address two of them. Asking a 3 year old, and average adult and a well-read senior citizen, the two questions that you hypothetically posed means nothing. As a teacher, I would argue that asking the 3 yr. old is ludicrous and as for the other two, unless there has been a good reason for them to recall that gasses are combustible, their answers are meaningless as well. Second, and I quote

"ONLY vapors/gasses can ignite directly.
Liquids do not per se' -burn-, neither do solids.
This is why vehicles need to do so much to 'burn' liquid fuels and have
so much unburned stuff leaving engines as we ALL know. Right ?

Many folks have successfully made systems that take advantage of this 100%
solid, proven, factual data - yet they are not on vehicles we're likely
to see or know about and the inventors are oddly...silent when there are
any to be found.

Fuel vaporizers are real, operate according to the stated 'laws' and are
a very good idea IMO - but where are they ? Dunno, right ?"

Fuel vaporizers are in action in every internal combustion engine currently running, they sometimes take the form of carburetors (not so much anymore) and fuel injection. And over time they have been improved. Fuel injection is an improvement over carburation and direct injection is an improvement over common rail or port fuel injection.


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