Hi,
This discussion reminds of so many that I hear at coffee shops and music venues. People are aware of the struggle of the working people in the US and around the world but... The problem, of course, is the cause of the struggle is undefined. Those of you that refer to Communism are really refering to condition in the Soviet Union (where I am from) or China, etc. I can tell you that no Marxist believes that those countries were/are Communist. Marxism is a way to examine an economy whereas Communism is the obvious choice for economic system after a Marxist examination. Communism exist here in the states everyday and none of you fight it, in fact, most of you celebrate not knowing it. I am refering to the many Start up companies that spawn (or at least use until recently) every year. In a Start up a group of people (workers) work together and control the profits (and losses) of their company. ***NOTICE*** The Market is still present. The only difference is that producer is also the distributor of the profits.

The situation above obviously did not exist in USSR. While there was no market, the profits were not distributed by those people that created them. I know you all want for me to say what then the USSR's political economy was!- the answer is a Command Monorchy. Command- because one central agency (the government) controlled and distributed the profits. Monorchy- becuase there was real no elections. I don't consider choosing one of one canditate an election.


Best Regards
Roman

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• Kind of OT: Sad story about the production of Saabs..., SuoTimo, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:11:29
  • Too bad, I've always considered.., BobH, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:41:44
  • not really ... It's or the "old" 9-3, Trev, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:43:12
    • Re: not really ... Prod. move to Austria n/m, SuoTimo, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 02:39:15
  • Re: Kind of OT: Sad story about the production of Saabs..., bRAD, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:27:57
    • Kind of OT: Have you read "Stupid White Men"?......., zeke, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:10:53
      • As bad as it is..., b.flippo, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:33:56
      • If they can make "more" profit? Saab LOST $500,000,000, Dinger, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:32:33
      • OK Mr. Smarty Pants, VP, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:25:55
        • HUH! VP you claim that Nordic countries are socialist?, Not Socialist, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 02:36:38
          • Yes I do, VP, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:10:17
            • Add Germany to the List too!, VP, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:18:31
        • Re: OK Mr. Smarty Pants, zeke, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:33:37
          • Don't be so sure., VP, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:14:26
        • UH...HERES AN IDEA...., 91Aero.jr, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:55:49
          • "Greed" is not just an American Phenomenon., Terraplanem, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:58:04
          • Agree somewhat., VP, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:08:04
            • Re: Agree somewhat., avanti, Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:38:00
            • Disagree..., bRAD, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:07:32
              • Estate Tax, Terraplanem, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:00:35
                • I'm unfamilliar with the US taxation system..., bRAD, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:06:28
                  • Estate tax: if you have a large estate, IIRC over 1mil, Terraplanem, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:24:57
              • Were you in my Econ class?->, roman, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:38:54
              • Re: Disagree..., VP, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:18:31
                • No argument there..., bRAD, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:38:58
                  • Indeed, but in the words of Gerhardt Richter,, Terraplanem, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:08:57
                  • Now, there is a distinct difference between..., b.flippo, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:10:53
                    • Well said, VP, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:05:50
                      • I think many of you are unclear about your own beliefs+, roman, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:29:53 <-- Viewing This Message
                        • Marxism, VP, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:42:59
                          • Wrong!, competetion has nothing to do with it->, roman, Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:40:56
                          • Marxism according to Friedman, you mean....., zeke, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:15:04
                            • That model will work with small groups., Dave Westlake, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:31:49
                          • Re: Marxism, Terraplanem, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:57:39
                            • I've been in a Lada....., Dave Westlake, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:26:26
                              • Slightly better than walking, but only in inclement, Terraplanem, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:28:07
                      • Any economic system..., bRAD, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:01:31
                    • You weren't in Toronto last summer..., bRAD, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:51:41
            • Yes indeed...., 91Aero.jr, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:18:35
        • Re: OK Mr. Smarty Pants, Eli5, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:16:56
          • Thinking before posting, VP, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:41:12
            • Well it is cheaper to design in mexico as well..., Eli5, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:07:57
              • The quality issue w/r/t VW's Mexican operations have, Terraplanem, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:33:59
                • I owned a 2000 Mexican Jetta..., bRAD, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:40:26
                  • Word on the R32. I am well satisfied with the quality, Terraplanem, Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:06:22
            • Are you a VW brand manger / consultant? n/m, Jon in Chicago, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:03:43

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