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You're right about the the torque in the Arc/Vector. But is the 12 extra ft-lb worth the 600rpm band loss? Like I said, without really seeing a torque curve, it's impossible to tell. You may also note that the 6spd isn't available (yet) in Arc/Vector. Once it arrives, it should make a difference, but we're all speculating until we see the ratios. Has anyone seen them?

The current 9-3 SE has no torque limitation in 2nd-5th gears...only in 1st. Only the Viggen limits in 2nd & up. And it's my understanding that this is to be nice to the tranny, not for torque steer issues that the new 9-3 is said to correct. Regardless, it doesn't really matter because you're reaching tire traction limits before the torque limit.

I think RP is correct to say that in time the engines will be tuned higher and the new 9-3 may indeed be a better performer. Again, performance being defined in the straight line sense. Many are saying the new 9-3 handles better, and I won't refute or support that until I drive it. I'm not trying to bash the new car (haven't even driven it), just honestly answering the question based on the information available.

As for the C900 riding on rails..... please. I love the C900 as much as anybody, but my 9-3 handles far better than my C900. I think where people make the mistake is that they don't notice they're trying to do the same maneuvers in a 9-3 that they did in a C900, only at 50% higher speed. The 9-3 doesn't feel as fast as the C900, so it's much easier to get crazy in a turn.

Cheers,

'Roo

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• How far can one scale up the NEW 9-3???, 9sound, Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:14:31
  • The "old" 9-3 is faster, Mr. Science, Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:53:54
    • This thread seems to have a lot of "paper comparison", Caspar, Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:00:21
      • Unofficial comparison, Price, Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:34:08
        • Thoughts, Mr. Science, Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:44:19
          • Re: Thoughts, Price, Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:41:41
          • Six speed faster?, CFishgo, Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:10:02
    • Where did you see the torque and hp is lower..., Richard P., Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:04:56
    • Not necessarily true..., AdamB , Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:00:06
      • Re: Not necessarily true..., Mr. Science, Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:01:27
        • I think you're all wet on this one. The new 9-3 has, Price, Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:04:25
          • Yes and No, Mr. Science, Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:56:30 <-- Viewing This Message
            • Re: Yes and No, Price, Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:16:51
              • T7 vs. T5, Mr. Science, Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:59:02
                • people misunderstanding torque, Jeff, Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:14:56
                  • I never claimed such a thing, Mr. Science, Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:32:41
        • Re: Not necessarily true..., AdamB , Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:02:06
    • Re: The "old" 9-3 is faster, 9sound, Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:51:59
      • Without a torque curve..., Mr. Science, Sun, 29 Sep 2002 14:42:58
      • Its heavier I think, nickR, Sun, 29 Sep 2002 13:20:55
        • Yes, newer is heavier and lower HP but..., Drew, Sun, 29 Sep 2002 14:27:55
          • any mods will be expensive!, ckpaden, Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:06:02
            • Be patient..., Richard P., Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:09:40

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