Hi,

We all have to make a deal with the devil eventually, and when we do,
we are let in on the secret that the devil is not some disembodied evil
being. It is the other part of us of which we're not so proud, and by
acknowledging it we become whole. Until then, we're just deluding
ourselves and indulging our need for fantasy. :-)

A lot of people look on GM as the devil and bemoan its involvment with
Saab, but since GM has been funding Saab, the cars have become better.
Sure, the idealism has been lost (and the chiselled good looks), and that
loss of idealism and innocence is fodder for nostalgia. However, remember
all of those counter-culture hippies in the Sixties and how quickly they
abandoned their idealism and became executives of heartless corporations
they so despised?

We all have to grow up sometime, and part of the process involves
acknowledging the devil within us which stands for practicality and
compromise. :-)

thanks

Jae

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• 300bhp V8 9-5 due in 2004, Paul , Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:54:04
  • look to the future and go diesel saab (long), Liam, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:13:26
    • With diesel, every combustion is a ping. Not smooth. nm, J, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:32:52
      • I also hear thatthe spark plugs are tough to replace :), b.flippo, Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:08:49
        • What?, bRAD, Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:25:27
          • turbo-compound??, JimBlake , Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:20:27
          • Check your muffler bearings, too. n/m, b.flippo, Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:52:53
          • are you joking?, J, Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:39:59
            • Re: are you joking?, bRAD, Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:50:35
    • Local economics does it!, but not in U.S..., Mike Lynch , Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:27:20
    • Saab does it too, bRAD, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:13:23
  • I'd much rather see Variable Compression Ratio Engine, J, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:57:34
  • Couple points, Eric Law, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:30:54
  • This is a step backward for Saab........, zeke, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:40:18
    • Let's clear a common misconception:, Hood, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:20:18
      • technical counter-point to efficiency question., J, Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:09:02
      • I know this is anecdotal, but........., zeke, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:31:53
        • I agree that Saab's have great engine efficiency...., Hood, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:50:25
          • My S2000. 240hp and ULEV..., b.flippo, Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:10:40
      • Your mileage may vary, Eric Law, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:22:40
      • Re: Let's clear a common misconception:, Tony Basile, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:16:36
        • Well, here's a few:, Hood, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:40:51
          • Wrong on two counts here............., zeke, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:43:09
          • So how do they get the EPA numbers?, AdamB , Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:54:06
        • Agree Tony. Which V8s get 28 mpg. I'd like one.n/m, Texron, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:34:02
          • Hell, an LT1 Camaro will get 28mpg on the highway..., Craig, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:26:47
            • So will an '89 Mustang LX 5.0, Jason, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:53:06
            • But I bet it doesn't get 25 MPG at 100+ Mph...nm, AdamB , Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:45:10
          • One word... Northstar., b.flippo, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:00:03
            • Re: One word... Northstar., Tony Basile, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:45:11
              • Variable Valve Timing..., b.flippo, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:20:10
    • This reaffirms my statement:, b.flippo, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:49:39
      • This sort of logic reminds me of......., zeke, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:56:36
        • They haven't destroyed anything..., b.flippo, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:14:49
          • ... We all have to make a deal with the devil ..., J, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:50:22 <-- Viewing This Message
            • Wow. I'm teary eyed. n/m, b.flippo, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:25:17
  • Not sure about this, RedSPG18, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:30:19
    • I agree, but..., No.9, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:54:25
    • It's all about sales, my friend..., b.flippo, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:24:23
      • I partly agree ..., J, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:15:08
        • Remember..., b.flippo, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:37:15
          • Re: 450 hp, all wheel drive, hatchback?, officeboy, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:31:14
          • Re: Remember..., J, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:59:08
      • This is heresy, but what SAAB needs..., Jason, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:55:42
        • No way, dude, Hood, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:26:14
          • Re: No way, dude, Jason, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:13:51
        • By the way..., b.flippo, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:45:52
          • VW has already announced no W8 in next Passat n/m, elSaab, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:36:32
            • You'll see the W8 in the U.S..., b.flippo, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:21:29
            • Where did you hear that? n/m, bRAD, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:40:22
              • It was Autoweek, I think>>, elSaab, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:50:07
                • For anyone else who'd like to see.., bRAD, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:05:20
                  • Passat W8, Jason, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:11:37
                    • I've seen three, bRAD, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:43:44
                      • Hmm!, Jason, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:19:39
        • We designed a gorgeous SUV..., b.flippo, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:43:12
          • 256?, bRAD, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:05:58
            • It was scrapped during the second quarter this year.n/m, b.flippo, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:45:32
              • You are referring to the 266. The 256 was the, Price, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:42:54
                • It was a bummer when..., b.flippo, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:09:26
                  • Jesus, an exact copy of the Rendezvous?, Hood, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:30:00
                    • That's why it was discontinued..., b.flippo, Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:31:48
      • Well put!! (nm), VP, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:26:53
    • Re: Not sure about this, JBinMD, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:34:00
  • Dang..., waSAABi , Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:09:05
    • torque steer anyone? :-) n/m, J, Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:45:28
  • Re: 300bhp V8 9-5 due in 2004, Jo K, Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:55:37

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