National Border is not a Personal Property, but a Communal Property. It is not Libertarian at all to say "we Americans have the right to control our . . ." in any collective sense whatsoever because "we," "control" and "our" in any collective sense are just Statists' constructs to tell you that they (the Statists) want to "control" "your" fill-the-blank. The foundamental princpal of Libertarianism is the freedom of indidivduals, not yielding control to any Statist construct (which are almost without exception couched in false "common goods").

> You would be infringing on the rights of Americans who
> want a slower immigration . . .

There is no such thing as the right of (other) Americans who want a slower immigration. No more so than other Americans' right to make sure I burn less gasoline or have a smaller house. The whole idea of Libertarianims is minding your own beeswax and leave the others damn alone.

As to burden on social services like socialized medicine and socialized education, there should not be never have been much of either to begin with. Both are doomed to fail from the beginning.

> but you are in a group here and not in your own country that
> you have sole dominion over.

In other words, we all have to summit our freedom to claims of common good (never mind if such claims have any validity). Like I said, there's nothing Libertarian about anything you have proferred so far.







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• Median home price in CA is now..., Bob M, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:22:04
  • Move to Toledo..., Rod , Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:03:19
  • in santa barbara is now median 1.3 million :-( nm, baggsly , Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:52:23
  • We certainly have a lot of Californians moving up here, KBR88900T, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:19:01
    • Re: We certainly have a lot of Californians moving up h, rob , Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:58:34
      • Yes, I guess the open boarder thing is part of the, KBR88900T, Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:06:57
        • The warped world that we live in . . ., Jim, Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:20:54
          • It is Libertarian to believe in personal property so, KBR88900T, Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:39:16
            • Here's a handy link, Jim, Sun, 5 Jun 2005 18:40:17
              • I can't stand the minimum wage but I'm not, KBR88900T, Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:49:55
                • Good Question, Jim, Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:34:41
                  • I agree with a lot of your points., KBR88900T, Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:56:34
                    • Very much in agreement, Jim, Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:31:43
                      • Nice piece, keep up the fight. n/m Cheers, KBR88900T, Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:09:45
            • Personal Property vs. Communal Property, Jim, Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:55:56 <-- Viewing This Message
              • Maybe I'm not an absolute Libertarian., KBR88900T, Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:56:52
    • Re: We certainly have a lot of Californians moving up here, steveC, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:41:40
      • come to Toronto ;-) nm, Canadian_Saab, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:14:43
        • Re: come to Toronto ;-) nm, steveC, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:41:03
          • Geez., LesH, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:25:13
            • Re: Geez., steveC, Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:36:49
  • Tear-downs in my area are pushing $800,000, Geoff, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:13:40
  • Re: Median home price in CA is now..., Randy Thatcher , Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:21:13
  • My house went from 150-348 in 1.5 years, NickR, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:18:01
    • Re: My house went from 150-348 in 1.5 years, Jim, Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:45:44
  • Re: Median home price in CA is now..., GM, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:46:43
    • most of them are broke or renting..., Bob M, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:06:54
      • Re: most of them are broke or renting..., Rich, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:54:47
        • Low interest rate is a sucker's game, Jim, Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:31:27
      • Interest only loans, too ->, michael p, Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:13:23

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