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Perhaps... Posted by Eric Law [Email] (more from Eric Law) on Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:43:19

In Reply to: Re: That would be the result, Reality, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:37:54 Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup

...you find the ARPANET-to-Internet story "old" because it did not go the way you'd like it to?

The network that became ARPANET was conceived by J.C.R. Licklider who wrote / co-wrote papers about a high-speed computer interconnection system in 1960 and 1962. Later in 1962, Licklider was hired by DARPA to implement his plan. The government wasn't the only entity involved in developing ARPANET but it provided the initial funding, leadership, and coordination. The private investment that made the Internet accessible to everyone only took place after others had done the real innovating.

As for your assertion "there's no saying the private sector would not have done it", please provide an example of anywhere, any time, that the private sector has created a network that is as efficient and works as well as the Internet?

The initial work on telephone networks is a fantastic example of how *not* to do things. Massive investments were made and yes technological progress did occur, but the result was multiple redundant networks that often were not even compatible with each other. You and your neighbor could both have a telephone but you could not call them if you weren't on the same network. Organizations that had great needs to be reachable (police departments, hospitals, large companies) had to have (& pay for) multiple telephones, each from different providers. Pretty lame considering all the time & effort that was put into building the networks, and the situation was not resolved until the government stepped in to regulate the industry.

The same situation, to a degree, exists today. How many cellphone networks do we have in this country? Yes they can "talk" to each other, but for my Verizon phone to work there needs to be a Verizon tower nearby. The Sprint tower down the street is useless to me, just as the Verizon tower is useless to someone with a Sprint phone. So you have millions or perhaps billions of dollars being spent on redundant networks with no beneficial outcome* - think about that next time you're wondering why your cellphone bill is so high!

* I say "beneficial outcome" because if the phones & towers were interoperable then redundancy could be helpful for load-balancing and fault tolerance (if equipment at one tower site goes down, another could take over for it). But we're not getting any such benefits.

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Posts in this Thread:

OT: Space shuttle, Eric Law, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 05:53:10
- Please..., Eric Law, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:46:52
  - Re: Please..., EGD , Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:20:06
- Re: OT: Space shuttle, brick8, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:09:07
- I'll cheer..., nwas, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:34:19
  - It's been quite a while, AdamB , Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:33:51
    - Re: It's been quite a while, Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:49:37
  - I guess we should all still be living in caves......, MI-Roger , Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:06:57
    - That would be the result, Reality, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:56:06
      - Re: That would be the result, Eric Law, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:10:50
        Re: That would be the result, Reality, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:37:54
        Re: That would be the result, James, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 06:51:50
        Re: That would be the result, Reality, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:30:03
        Perhaps..., Eric Law, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:43:19 <-- Viewing This Message
        Re: Perhaps..., TML , Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:40:16
        Yeah, Eric Law, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 04:12:02
        Made up facts indeed, Reality, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:03:30
        Re: Perhaps..., Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:43:36
        Furthermore, Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:20:09
        Re: Perhaps..., Reality, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:06:32
        Uh..., Eric Law, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:39:02
        Re: Uh..., Reality, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:08:54
        Re: Uh..., kkelley, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:12:11
        Timinger problem, Reality, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:57:22
        Re: Timinger problem, kkelley, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:31:49
        "I took the initiative in creating the internet", Reality, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:27:25
        Re: "I took the initiative in creating the internet", kkelley, Thu, 14 Jul 2011 06:46:08
        Re: "I took the initiative in creating the internet", Reality, Thu, 14 Jul 2011 08:44:26
        Re: "I took the initiative in creating the internet", kkelley, Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:31:47
        Re: "I took the initiative in creating the internet", Reality, Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:01:11
  - Agree!, Reality, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:36:58
    - Microwave, Comsat, GPS, Reality, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:11:59
      - oversimplifications..., James, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 06:38:03
        Valuation depends on alternatives, Reality, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 07:15:30
        if NASA had not existed..., James, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:18:32
        Re: if NASA had not existed..., Reality, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:48:37
        Re: if NASA had not existed..., AdamB , Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:27:51
        Re: if NASA had not existed..., Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:30:39
        oh, and one more thing..., James, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:51:29
        Re: if NASA had not existed..., James, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:25:24
        Re: if NASA had not existed..., Reality, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:48:45
        Re: if NASA had not existed..., James, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 03:47:19
        Re: if NASA had not existed..., Reality, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 06:10:56
        Re: if NASA had not existed..., James, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 06:39:19
        Re: if NASA had not existed..., Reality, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:17:23
        Re: if NASA had not existed..., James, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 03:36:29
        I actually agree . . ., Reality, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:29:36
        Re: I actually agree . . ., James, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:33:09
        Re: I actually agree . . ., Reality, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:07:49
        oh, and one more thing..., James, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 03:35:12
        Re: I actually agree . . ., James, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 01:51:08
        Re: I actually agree . . ., Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:47:28
        Re: I actually agree . . ., James, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:27:26
        Re: I actually agree . . ., Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:44:49
        Re: I actually agree . . ., James, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 08:48:16
        Re: I actually agree . . ., Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:31:30
        the only thing dumber that the moon trips..., nwas, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 16:59:06
        Whoops... that should have been, nwas, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 17:00:37
  - Re: I'll cheer..., TML , Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:20:12
  - I think I can handle 0.5% of the federal budget, rob 96 aero, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 11:27:00
    - It's not a lot of money in the big picture. But..., Noel, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 05:20:49
    - Waste is Waste; It all needs to be cut, nwas, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:13:25
  - Re: I'll cheer..., NCCaniac , Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:26:41

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