It's true, Newton came along way at the end of the renaissance... but of course the church was still extremely important (eg Newton was religious but managed to avoid becoming a priest, a normal part of the job back then)...

Anyway, fortunately, not all scientific research these days is related to global warming... I suppose that's something on which we agree! I'm personally much more interested in some of the interesting experimental physics that is possible these days due to technical advancements... and don't get me wrong - I'm an applied sort - but I'm selling the case of the folks doing the fundamental work because the general populace imho has no idea how important they are to those of us on the applied side (for the future).

It is quite possible the research funding models in Canada and the US are different + possibly that might be reflected in our perspectives. A university prof with a $500k grant here does not get paid out of that grant... it's for research only (students + equipment etc). Typically a prof (or government researcher) here makes significantly less than they would make in industry (or in some cases, teaching high school!), but goes into it as a career because they have other primary interests than maximizing economic return (with stable sufficient pay, can do interesting research + teaching: ie academics). I can understand disillusionment wrt academics (my "90%/10%" bit), but I don't think the system is really *that* problematic... I look at it as just holding them to a high standard...

btw, with my "90%/10%" commentary, I'm using those numbers figuratively + I would not want to imply that industry is any better! For every competent engineer who practices proper toleranced design, there seems to be a bunch more who rely on "design by test": nominal design, followed by (limited) trial in a lab... drives me crazy!! anyway... my point is... we can't all be Einstein!

James...

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• OT: Space shuttle, Eric Law, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 05:53:10
  • Please..., Eric Law, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:46:52
    • Re: Please..., EGD , Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:20:06
  • Re: OT: Space shuttle, brick8, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:09:07
  • I'll cheer..., nwas, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:34:19
    • It's been quite a while, AdamB , Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:33:51
      • Re: It's been quite a while, Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:49:37
    • I guess we should all still be living in caves......, MI-Roger , Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:06:57
      • That would be the result, Reality, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:56:06
        • Re: That would be the result, Eric Law, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:10:50
          • Re: That would be the result, Reality, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:37:54
            • Re: That would be the result, James, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 06:51:50
              • Re: That would be the result, Reality, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:30:03
            • Perhaps..., Eric Law, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:43:19
              • Re: Perhaps..., TML , Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:40:16
                • Yeah, Eric Law, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 04:12:02
                  • Made up facts indeed, Reality, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:03:30
                • Re: Perhaps..., Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:43:36
                  • Furthermore, Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:20:09
              • Re: Perhaps..., Reality, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:06:32
                • Uh..., Eric Law, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:39:02
                  • Re: Uh..., Reality, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:08:54
                    • Re: Uh..., kkelley, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:12:11
                      • Timinger problem, Reality, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:57:22
                        • Re: Timinger problem, kkelley, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:31:49
                          • "I took the initiative in creating the internet", Reality, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:27:25
                            • Re: "I took the initiative in creating the internet", kkelley, Thu, 14 Jul 2011 06:46:08
                              • Re: "I took the initiative in creating the internet", Reality, Thu, 14 Jul 2011 08:44:26
                                • Re: "I took the initiative in creating the internet", kkelley, Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:31:47
                                  • Re: "I took the initiative in creating the internet", Reality, Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:01:11
    • Agree!, Reality, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:36:58
      • Microwave, Comsat, GPS, Reality, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:11:59
        • oversimplifications..., James, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 06:38:03
          • Valuation depends on alternatives, Reality, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 07:15:30
            • if NASA had not existed..., James, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:18:32
              • Re: if NASA had not existed..., Reality, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:48:37
                • Re: if NASA had not existed..., AdamB , Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:27:51
                  • Re: if NASA had not existed..., Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:30:39
                    • oh, and one more thing..., James, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:51:29
                    • Re: if NASA had not existed..., James, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:25:24
                      • Re: if NASA had not existed..., Reality, Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:48:45
                • Re: if NASA had not existed..., James, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 03:47:19
                  • Re: if NASA had not existed..., Reality, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 06:10:56
                    • Re: if NASA had not existed..., James, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 06:39:19
                      • Re: if NASA had not existed..., Reality, Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:17:23
                        • Re: if NASA had not existed..., James, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 03:36:29
                          • I actually agree . . ., Reality, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:29:36
                            • Re: I actually agree . . ., James, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:33:09
                              • Re: I actually agree . . ., Reality, Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:07:49
                                • oh, and one more thing..., James, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 03:35:12
                                • Re: I actually agree . . ., James, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 01:51:08 <-- Viewing This Message
                                  • Re: I actually agree . . ., Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 05:47:28
                                    • Re: I actually agree . . ., James, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:27:26
                                      • Re: I actually agree . . ., Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:44:49
                                        • Re: I actually agree . . ., James, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 08:48:16
                                          • Re: I actually agree . . ., Reality, Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:31:30
                • the only thing dumber that the moon trips..., nwas, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 16:59:06
                  • Whoops... that should have been, nwas, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 17:00:37
    • Re: I'll cheer..., TML , Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:20:12
    • I think I can handle 0.5% of the federal budget, rob 96 aero, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 11:27:00
      • It's not a lot of money in the big picture. But..., Noel, Sat, 9 Jul 2011 05:20:49
      • Waste is Waste; It all needs to be cut, nwas, Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:13:25
    • Re: I'll cheer..., NCCaniac , Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:26:41

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