In Reply to: OT: Two kids killed in a 9-5 in Hopkinton, MA...Issues, turrbo [Profile/Gallery] , Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:12:09

So what's a kid supposed to do between the ages of 16 and 18 if he/she has to work? Not everybody gets to go to college. Not everybody gets college 100% paid for. Not saying washing dishes until midnight will make anyone rich, but it certainly helps. Let's say kid number 1 goes to hockey from 8-10 every night. Kid number 2 works from 6-12 at the restaurant. Both are in opposite directions. Now you've got about 4 hours a night of shuttleing everyone around.

I think teens have probably always driven like idiots. And I don't think it's necessarily age related, it's just a matter of experience. These kids should have better eys, ears, and reaction time than adults. Where's the problem? Experience. So if you delay this experience until they are 18, ooh - let's make it 21!!! - you'll still have problems, the age range will just shift.

I say we give all 14 year-olds permits and make them drive with mom and dad until their 16. Then let them take the car out on their own.

While we're at it, let's make them all learn how to handle firearms safely, too. Mandatory gun ownership.

I think the crux of the problem is giving every kid in america 200+ HP machines to drive around. That's ridiculous. Kids haven't changed. Physics hasn't changed. But the cars sure have. I'd like to plot the curve of teen fatals against the curve of average HP and see how they compare.

We drove like idiots in the '80s, but my friend's Chevette had an absolute top speed of 77 MPH. My moms Pontiac 6000 took probably 15 seconds to reach 60. Dad's F150 had a 300 cubic inch straight 6 and was tough to get up past 70 MPH in. Not that we couldn't have killed ourselves (we came close), but I think it was much more difficult.

Oh, and what is TOTALLY unneccessary and kills more kids than cars or guns??? Back yard pools. Let's fill 'em all in with dirt. We gotta save everybody.

My .02.

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• OT: Two kids killed in a 9-5 in Hopkinton, MA...Issues, turrbo , Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:12:09
  • training and licenseing changes seem to work, 79-900t , Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:39:25
  • raise the age, rob 94 cse, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:05:22
  • c'mon, 18??, Chris, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:21:32 <-- Viewing This Message
    • Re: c'mon, 18??, AdamB , Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:41:52
    • Bicycle, NickR, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:23:41
  • Teaching..., Eric Law, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:23:15
    • the speeding part.., yaofeng, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:16:40
      • Re: the speeding part.., andrew95, Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:11:03
        • Re: the speeding part.., soneway, Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:17:40
    • Speak the truth!, ChuckD , Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:00:49
      • Well said,, SeeVTSaab, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:19:20
      • defensive driving must be taught, saabnroark , Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:39:31
  • Re: OT: Two kids killed in a 9-5 in Hopkinton, MA...Issues, dboone, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:25:15
  • How about parents that ACTUALLY teach ..., n8, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:14:32
    • Agreed, Schu, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:16:58
    • How about parents who can ACTUALLY drive themselves?, PT, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:42:02
      • Re: How about parents who can ACTUALLY drive themselves, Eric Law, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:54:05
  • Progressive license - some states have it, MIke in Anchorage, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:53:21
    • MA has something like this..., turrbo , Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:53:25
  • Re: OT: Two kids killed in a 9-5 in Hopkinton, MA...Issues, SilverAeroGuy, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:25:11
    • Re: Driver's ed would be a good first step, AeroDave, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:22:12
  • They must really have been moving fast, AdamB , Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:20:34
    • Sounds like..., fsik, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:25:59
      • Re: Sounds like..., AdamB , Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:10:29
        • Re: Sounds like..., fsik, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:37:21
  • Having real license tests and driver's education, AdamB , Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:16:09
    • It's easier to get a pilot's license in the US, NickR, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:21:01
  • Completely for raising age to 18, NickR, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:07:41
    • In response to Mike and Eric, NickR, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:11:12
      • Hmmm..., Eric Law, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:59:38
        • Actually ..., Caspar, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:44:05
        • Re: Hmmm..., AdamB , Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:06:24
        • Re: Hmmm..., IronJoe, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:57:18
  • Re: OT: Two kids killed in a 9-5 in Hopkinton, MA, Eric Law, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:11:56
    • Re: OT: Two kids killed in a 9-5 in Hopkinton, MA, soneway, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:05:05
      • Age of driver vs years of driving, Geoff, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:56:13
  • First .we get serious about licensing in general, ChuckD , Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:23:13
    • Let me tell you what my licensing procedure was like..., turrbo , Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:09:44
      • What my licensing procedure was like...times 2, SilverAeroGuy, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:11:38
      • Mine was like this...., Erik, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:02:17
        • Re: Mine was like this...., soneway, Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:21:15
    • I agree, matt 94 aero, Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:52:10
    • raising age doesn't help too much, mike-p., Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:34:45

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