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Re: Keynes vs. Keynes...
Posted by Reality (more from Reality) on Fri, 6 May 2011 11:27:37
In Reply to: Re: Keynes vs. Keynes..., James, Fri, 6 May 2011 09:46:00
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Glad we agree that "target" "rescue" of specific companies is a bad idea.
IMHO, Keynesianism is coercive bullying at its root because of its advocacy of fiat money law. Keynes' attack on "barbaric relic" is very similar to John Law's attack on silver currency used at that time. That attack also shows that all the talks about running enough surplus during boom times is an intellectual fraud perpetrated upon those trying to believe. Abolishing sound money would not be necessary if surplus from boom time is for real.
Any alleged counter-cyclical adjustment by bureaucrats face a daunting task of proving that the bureaucrats are good market timers. They are not. Keynes lost his own shirt chasing the stock market bubble in the late 1920's, when according to his theory the wise bureaucrat should have been reining in the market excess.
Infrastructure building is fundamentally a form of long-term investment. Government monopoly is hardly in a position to make make such investment in a timely manner. The Germans were the first to this game in the 1930's, and their Autobahn was a thorough waste of resources because the companion government program the VW failed to deliver a single car to the consumers to drive on the shiny new highway; the road network did help Western allies pushing into Germany though, but that's probably not what the builders had in mind. The latest Keynesian infrastructure game has been taking place China, which is wasting enormous amount of building material building empty cities. In between, we have alleged success of the inter-state highway system in the US, followed by massive waste and fraud in recent years digging tunnels and building bridges.
The fundamental problem with all Keynesian solutions is that they are all tantamount to pouring milk into the ocean and slaughtering farm animals to prop up prices. The end result is not more transactions taking place at the old price level but mass starvation and joblessness. Market can clear again only when new ways of doing things can find input factors priced low enough to make new ways of doing business profitable; the old high input prices had been the result of miscalculations by buyers of those input factors in hopes of turning out higher order goods that sold well in a bubble but stopped selling. Having the government stepping in to buy the unsold goods at any of the levels and destroy them is only going to prolong the resource misallocation and retarding the necessary adjustment to new consumer preferences (often the result of new technology breakthrough rendering alternative solutions to human happiness cheaper to attain). In other words, government intervention literally gets in the way of people's pursuit of happiness.
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Posts in this Thread:
- Car company bailouts, No Snaab, Thu, 5 May 2011 13:19:51
- GM to add 4,000 jobs, duking it out with Toyota, No Snaab, Wed, 11 May 2011 07:58:09
- Important to see the big picture, Noel, Fri, 6 May 2011 06:16:54
- Doubly Ironic, Reality, Fri, 6 May 2011 07:00:56
- So why don't you tell us, Noel, Fri, 6 May 2011 09:45:54
- He doesn't deal in "reality", No Snaab, Fri, 6 May 2011 11:17:12
- Re: So why don't you tell us, Reality, Fri, 6 May 2011 10:46:21
- You didn't answer the questions, Noel, Fri, 6 May 2011 11:17:54
- Re: You didn't answer the questions, Reality, Fri, 6 May 2011 11:43:04
- Re: You (still) didn't answer the questions, Noel, Fri, 6 May 2011 12:49:13
- He won't answer, No Snaab, Fri, 6 May 2011 14:12:45
- What is Heaven like?, Reality, Fri, 6 May 2011 15:04:00
- less vs more vs balance, James, Fri, 6 May 2011 15:31:40
- Balance is okay, Reality, Fri, 6 May 2011 16:10:30
- What color is the sky in your world?, Noel, Fri, 6 May 2011 16:24:48
- Blue, Black, Grey, White, Orange, Pink, Red,, Reality, Fri, 6 May 2011 16:46:55
- So without the government stepping in, Noel, Fri, 6 May 2011 19:55:24
- Re: Blue, Black, Grey, White, Orange, Pink, Red,, James, Fri, 6 May 2011 18:11:52
- False Choice, Reality, Fri, 6 May 2011 13:33:38
- Re: So why don't you tell us...Been there done that an, Joeychess, Fri, 6 May 2011 10:22:45
- That's fiscally responsible and also well stated yet, Joeychess, Fri, 6 May 2011 08:19:33
- Re: Important to see the big picture...Well said n/m, Joeychess, Fri, 6 May 2011 06:22:03
- Don't kid yourself, BTG88, Thu, 5 May 2011 21:59:15
- Gov't role in today's economy, adl6009 , Thu, 5 May 2011 19:17:20
- Ironic timing, "new" GM is caught stuffing channel, Reality, Thu, 5 May 2011 13:41:26
- Macro econ. vs the guy at the plant, AlS, Thu, 5 May 2011 18:16:21
- Keynesianism is Macro Econ, duh!, Reality, Thu, 5 May 2011 18:27:34
- "I address car topics under a different user name.", Steve T., Fri, 6 May 2011 08:02:22
- Keynes vs. Keynes..., James, Fri, 6 May 2011 06:49:05
- Re: Keynesianism is Macro Econ, duh!, kkelley, Thu, 5 May 2011 20:37:44
- Apparently stuffing the distribution channel works, Paul B., Thu, 5 May 2011 16:33:57
- Re: Ironic timing, "new" GM is caught stuffing channel, kkelley, Thu, 5 May 2011 14:50:16
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